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[Guest]

Why can we not copyright our work to Avsim then ?Anniette xxxxxxxxxxx

[Guest]

Actually, any site that charges for the privilege of logging on is charging monies for the products listed on that site. Flightsim.com is as guilty as fsplanet.com in that regard. More so. Flightsim is basically telling me that if I want to log on, I have to pay them to obtain freeware which isn't their property in the first place. They effectively deny me access unless I pay them. I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't been able to access their site in months. Fsplanet.com at least allows me access without paying. I don't see the difference in either site with respect to infringment on the author's copyright except that fsplanet is uploading without permission. At least fsplanet.com can be accessed without payment. Which is worse?? Flightsim.com for charging for freeware obtained with permission without giving you an option?? Fsplanet.com for uploading without permission, but at least allowing access to the site and download without having to pay?? If you ask me, Flightsim.com is the biggest offender of individuals copyrights.

[Francois_Dumas 10]

Anniette,anybody's work (freeware, shareware, payware) belongs to him/her self. Anything you make.... YOU have the copyright. Not AVSIM, not FSPlanet, not your government..... just you !I don't think there is any need for AVSIM to be involved.... your rights are sufficiently protected under international copyright law.Amicalement,Francois :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

[Guest KenG]

What a load of biscuits. This subject has been beaten to death. Flightsim.com does not require you to pay to log on. And if you do pay, you are paying for the bandwidth usage and servers. Just like your donations here at AVSIM do.You are at best, just plain wrong.

[Guest]

I've always been somewhat conflicted, but overall complacent concerning the desire of "publishers" to compile and sell compilation works based on the shareware and freeware thats been made available through their site. Back when CDROM's first started getting popular, this was a routine and very popular practice by BBS's to distribute wholesale collections between major sites and their users. But back then, 28.8k modems were lightning fast (14.4k was quite the luxury to many as well) and compilation works saved a huge amount of time by end-users.When the Web started getting popular and BBS's started fading away (:-(), new shareware/freeware sites like WinFiles started taking their place - as far as file collections go. They too had a similar policy: every four to six months they'd sell compilation CD sets (and eventually DVD's) of all the files linked through their system. Again, for users who had 33k and even the brand new 56k modems, this was a god send.On the one hand, you can think of it as fair since its a symbiotic relationship between authors and publishing sites. Without the authors, the publishing sites wouldn't exist (or at least, wouldn't be near as popular). But without the publishing sites, the authors wouldn't be able to get their works in near as many hands. Because of this, and in the end, I've never minded my freeware works being included and sold - FOR A NOMINAL AND REASONABLE FEE - on compilation sets by sites. Thats why I expressly include such a disclaimer in my licenses: even if I'm not the original upload author to that particular site (another thing I don't mind and expressly allow). As long as they don't try to co-opt the license or copyright of my work simply by the act of uploading or storage on their system, I can happily live with it.However, this instance is different. That "rule" of theirs:"The material sent may not be deleted from VOLFTP servers without being replaced with a newer version."and the other "rule":"may be used by VOLFTP for ... CD-ROM/DVD creation with VOLFTP and Mondadori trademarks"Is completely outrageous and beyond reasonable. It throws their entire site and their ethics into question (let alone any legal questions raised). If they truly "try to" stop authors from requesting their works be removed from their site, or refuse requests for such, I('d) have a HUGE problem with them (if any of my works were actually on their site). And if they think they can pass of others works with their Trademarks, they have another think coming. For the Trademark issue, I don't think thats exactly what they meant, but it can certainly be interpreted that way.An oversight I can understand: even if it was made for greedy reasons. If they don't change the policy almost immediately now that its been brought to light, I'd suggest some strong arm tactics to force the issue however - including any legal movements if that becomes necessary.Thanks for bringing this up Tom. It'll be extremely useful to see their reaction and if they back down on those issues immediately (as they must).I wonder how others feel about their works being included on compilation discs however (aside from the other two issues)? Am I in the minority on this? The majority?Thanks,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

[Guest]

Hi Francois,I've been trying to find a web translator for their site (http://volftp.mondadori.com), but for the life of me I can't figure out what language its in! I know, stupid North American... :-)You suggest above its Dutch, but I tried a Dutch translation to English and it remained the same. Can you verify the language and possibly point to a web translator that can handle it? I tried all the languages that BabelFish provides, but none of them worked.Thanks, http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

[Guest]

Hi Elrond,You could always try hitting the tiny "In English" link towards the lower left hand side !!! :-kewl BTW - I think it is in Itallian !

[Guest]

LOL! I hope I'm not that dense! Where are you seeing that? I just looked again and still can't see one...EDIT STARTAww shoot... Never mind. The entire left side of the page was being blocked by my firewall. Shew! While I AM dense, at least I'm not THAT dense. :-lolThanks G...EDIT STOP(I also tried babelfish's Itallian conversion and it didn't work... hmmmm)http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

[Guest]

As a missed point, let me also say that if they stole bandwidth from the likes of AVSIM or other sites to build their collection, this also is wholly outrageous. While I stated I don't mind end-users distributing my work to other sites, I sure as heck don't support sites which steal from others on a mass basis to build their collections!I'm not clear on what you're saying in that regard though, Tom. Is this essentially what they did? http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

[Tom Allensworth 1,532]

"I wonder how others feel about their works being included on compilation discs however (aside from the other two issues)? Am I in the minority on this? The majority?"I don't know Elrond. I have a lot of feelings on the subject, but the degree of which will depend upon the definition of your term "fair and reasonable compilation fees". I am a former member of ASP, and I know what I paid as a BBS Sysop for so many years... Anyone know what VOLFTP is charging for these?

[Tom Allensworth 1,532]

Not "they", but he. Ferdy at FSPlanet. In an email to Mike Hambly, that Mike copied me on, Ferdy admits to poaching files from other sites, though he did not specifically mention us or FS.com for that matter (at least as I remember his email - will have to look again tonight when I get home). But the fact remains that he is poaching, and that causes me concern too. We are working on that issue to resolve that little issue with our bandwidth. :)

[Guest mikehaska]

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[Guest mikehaska]

Elrond, it's fair for you to say it's ok, but the vast majority of developers did not agree to have their work redistributed to make profit for someone else.If I wanted my files on their site, I would upload them myself.

[Guest]

Ken, don't know what to tell you. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, hey; it's a duck.If you pay, you can get in. If you don't pay, you can't get in. IT'S A DUCK. QUACK, QUACK, QUACK!!!! What more can I say??Same thing happened to www.combatsim.com . Only they were straight forward about it. They called a duck a duck. Boy, I sure miss that site. Is it still around??

[Guest]

Thanks... I understand now. I do have some files that are on their site and they could only have come from AVSIM by improper means. I know this because one of the thumbnail images I uploaded along with the main file to AVSIM was designed expressly *for* AVSIM - it wasn't uploaded anywhere else, and of course is wholly separate from the main file. There's no way an end-user would copy that image to upload the file to another site. So, I fully support any action you or others wish to take.Which brings me to: what is that first action? Do you in particular have an email that you think is most appropriate to respond to? A specific person, perhaps, that can receive the deluge of mail from unhappy authors for instance? Or would you prefer us/me to do our/my own thing...Thanks again for the heads up,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif