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http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...5E13762,00.htmlNow if you think the article is all BS, here is the company's home page. Check out the New Products section. If you get lost, the third link is a direct one to that page. Note the lack of mention to "research". The "product" is available now it seems.I am very sad. This is right out of "End Times" Sadly also, the company is Canadian. :(bthttp://www.nexiabiotech.com/http://www.nexiabiotech.com/HTML/research/index.shtml

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Lovely!I can't wait until they make donkey-mouse, Kangaroo-rabbit, mosquito-shark, cat-dog, etc.

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Hi Braun,I'm taking it that you don't think its a "cool thing" from your posts? I can understand your reservation of course... But then again, think back to the 1600's or any other point in history. Replacing someone's heart with another's would have been "black magic" back then - the same with a ton of things that are just plain "normal" to us today, which save and extend our lives in innumerable ways. In a hundred years from now, we'll wonder how humanity survived without advances that DNA combining have given us.What *does* worry me a bit is when DNA manipulation is used in our food supply. While it indeed can be extremely useful and has the potential to completely eradicate world hunger in a century or so, it needs to be extremely tightly controlled and regulated.As long as laws are passed that keep this type of research happening at a reasonably forward pace and with the right checks and balances in place, I think its great... Nature has been doing this exact type of thing for as long as this world has been in existence: whenever a new "functionality" in a species has been needed its been provided. Nature just hasn't seen the need for a silk producing goat as yet.We do.Take care,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Elrond: There are many areas of DNA/Genome research that are exciting and hopeful endeavors. Much like the Atom, 99% of nuclear science and medicine does not lead to the split and subsequent horror of the Atom's power.Nature can teach us well in these area's too. As far as we know, unless we go back to the beginning of time where we have no clear understanding of processes that led to our existence, Nature has always had clear boundaries which it does not cross. Similar species have had hybrids occur naturally and with mans help forever. Some hybrids survive, some fail. Many are born infertile, which in Darwin's mind was proof positive of the checks and balances in natural selection, which insures the success of a species.On the other hand, what is discussed here is the not the merging of two separate and distinct species. This mutation crosses separate phyla

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So you have decided to get worried about this now? At this late date? Granted we are messing with evolution on a much more advanced scale now, but think about it for a minute. Humans have been doing this for thousands of years. You don

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My friend, this is not a poodle.bt

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It's a scary goat then.

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As long as bio-modified animals are kept in control and cannot circulate with other uncontrolled animals of the same species, I don't have any problem with it. But when we start mixing MonkeyCows with normal cows..... Well things become bad for the rest of the cow population from there on. Not a good thing. It's like europeans introducing all these animals to foreign lands. Disastrous. Hopefully there will be laws governing who can do this and who can't, and what they have to do to keep it under control.

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I have strapped on a gun and a badge and walked out to protect my fellow citizens without benefit of a vest. At the time they were costly, bulky, and not terribly effective. Today they are still bulky and expensive, albeit a little more effective. If these goats can improve that situation I say we need more goats.I have treated a bleeding patient with full blown end-stage AIDS with nothing more between the virus and my skin but a couple layers of latex; and I have done this a lot. If these goats can remedy that situation then bring on the goats. The future is coming; lead, follow, or get out of the way. Just don

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Indeed it is a scary goat! LOLbt

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Bio-technology doesn't concern me when its used for peaceful means. A lot of people get worked up about it, but it's mostly due to misinformation, usually spread by news media looking for a controversial story to boost ratings. Why doesn't it concern me that scientists are monkeying around with DNA in the lab? Because the simple fact is that the DNA in my body, your body, every living thing on the planet is undergoing constant modification, every day. As I type this the cells of my body are being bombarded by cosmic rays, background radiation, chemical contaminants, etc. All of which are constantly destroying/modifying the DNA in my body. The good news is that 99.9999.....% of these genetic mutations aren't viable, and they die, or at least they can't replicate. Every once in a while, one of these mutations is able to survive. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad. So what the scientists are doing in the lab is nothing different than what takes place every second of every day, naturally. What DOES concern me is the potential, as with any technology, that it can be misused. Modifying the DNA of a common virus for instance to turn it into a deadly biological weapon. Or a fascist dictator using the technology to breed a race of super warriors. And so on. That's what concerns me.Mike Stone

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Mike...I agree with all of your comments, but I would like to add one.Spider/goat DNA does not occur naturally. It cannot. The Genie is once again out of the bottle. Just like the splitting of the Atom, when you force Nature to do what it does not (for good reason, or we would all live in a fiery atomic furnace) it releases forces completely beyond our control. Trinity, 1945 relived. And if we can make spidergoat, what about BeeBoy? FleaMan? Think I'm nuts?bt

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One more time; the heroes who died, and those who survived, the events that you mention in your signature all could benefit from the one little protein in this goats milk. Would you deny those people and all those like them the protection better ballistic vests could provide? Or better gloves for the health care professionals? How much goat

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Well Holiday, we can have different viewpoints here, and that is "OK".>Don

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I have a couple of comments:"Spider/goat DNA does not occur naturally."But what we have here is goat DNA with the gene codes to produce silk. And such a mutation is on a scale that could be produced by random mutation, although it most likely wouldn't be selected for unless it offered some advantage. I think you are committing the naturalistic fallacy here; not everything natural is "good", and not everything unnatural (what the hell is unnatural anyway) is "bad"."It cannot"Well your right in the sense of spider/goat DNA but it is plausible for a goat to evolve with silkmilk, Arachnids are not the only group with silk in the DNA."(for good reason, or we would all live in a fiery atomic furnace)"Instead we all live by a "fiery atomic furnace" called the Sun."it releases forces completely beyond our control."Except when they are in our control like say a Nuclear PowerStation or perhaps a Nuclear Submarine."Think I'm nuts?"Yup! :-) Seriously though; of course there are genuine concerns about genetic manipulation, and there will undoubtly be mistakes involving the application of this new technology. However appealing to logical fallacies is not helpful or convincing.Where should the line be drawn? Not such an easy question to answer when you think about it.Simon.

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Interesting that this whole discussion is taking place today in the light of last night's 60 Minutes... Did you happen to catch it?I wonder how many "child bondage" atrocities will be cured by a goat that can produce silk in mass quantities compared to existing silkworms. (And how did a worm get to producing silk anyway? Thats scary! Oh yes, thats right. Nature saw a need for it. :-))I disagree that nature has clear boundaries that it does not cross. Now the argument can be (and is) made that if it isn't a strong enough trait it will indeed loose out and die away. However, the most bizarre mutations are cause by nature all the time - all it takes is a study of prenatal disease and birth defects to see more than enough examples of that.This "mutation" as you put it doesn't cross near as many boundaries as you think. We're not talking about an eight legged goat here thats half spider and half goat DNA. We're talking about one silk gene being introduced into a wholly goat DNA sequence. This isn't a SpiderGoat as you are portraying it: its a specialized Goat that produces milk of a sort than can be used to create silk through outside processing. It doesn't spin webs and trap those poor scientists in its sticky lair for lunch while evilly staring them down with its eight arachnid eyes! :-)In the end, I do understand your apprehension Braun. Indeed the technology should be closely monitored and controlled - and this is something we as a society have to deal with pretty soon what with human cloning hot on the headlines lately. But again to call it "End Times" type stuff only imbues the whole issue with a fantasy paranoia that is wholly inappropriate... And worse, makes people not take a serious issue seriously.As for Edgar Casey: I've read much of his works and was surprised you brought him up (his name doesn't pop up often). I've done quite a bit of occult and religious research throughout my life as its an area I've always been highly fascinated with. Casey was a truly brilliant madman of the utmost talent - a full member of the Golden Dawn (and possibly the AA). While I can (and do to a point) admire his works and his writing for the strangeness within, I surely don't base any of my beliefs on his psychic ramblings.Take care,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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I HATE watermellon...seedless grapes do it for me! :)bt

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>Where should the line be drawn? Not such an easy question to answer when you think about it.Well in the end, that is indeed "the rub", isn't it?Great discussion.bt

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>But again to call it "End Times" type stuff only imbues the whole issue with a fantasy paranoia that is wholly inappropriate... And worse, makes people not take a serious issue seriously.Well...one "spidergoat" does not end times make, I'll agree with you there. OTOH, I will not give you the point of "fantasy paranoia"...the minute this aberration was created, all pretext of fantasy went out the window. This is not an issue about "spidergoat". The goat seems normal; it does not walk "sideways". No, in my mind it is a "slippery slope" issue, and one we should have hours, days, YEARS of discussions about as a community before we glibly marvel at the benefits of this little goat.Best to you always,bt

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I want the technological advances this goat can provide. I am a nurse and I have a BA in psychology with a focus on health psych (including anatomy and physiology on a pre-med level) so I know the topic of DNA on a molecular level. I also understand the psychological basis of your personal viewpoint. I want gloves that needles can

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Charlton Heston say's it's made from people!!!

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