I don't know what happened but suddenly all default scenery in the USA is at 0 ft AGL. But all airfields are at their normal elevation. I disabled my add-on scenery but nothing changed. Scenery elevation in other continents seems to be correct and normal.What could cause this anomaly ? A missing BGL, conflicting BGL, incorrect flatten swiches ?? How do I fix this ?thanks for helping, ciao, Jurjen

Hi Jurjen:Are you using any of Rob Gainer's recent add-on meshes? If so, deactivate them in the scenery library and see whether the problem goes away.Cheers, HolgerP.S. I wonder how often we have to repeat this message before Rob gets around to fixing his files...

Holger,Thanks for helping me out: after some searching I indeed found two mesh BGL's by Gainer that were causing the problem. Initially I forgot to disable them since they were in the Addon Sceneryscenery subdir. thx again !

Holger:Your post is on FEB 20th Here is the facts.Filename: akmesh_updated.zip License: FreewareAdded: 13th February 2004get your facts in order , before you post.- sigh -Robert L Gainer B.,Law

My mistake, your post was on the 25th...The file was fixed , updated, and downlaoed many timesOn the 13th of Feb .Your out 12 days......wow.Heres a helpfull hint, instead of bashing people in a forum....why dont you fly ?Or Fly in real life ?Im sure your time can better better spent than wasting everyones with a non fact post.Nahh wont reply to ya......go fly..go do something other than hang in forums.Sigh.........................Rob Gainer

Hi Rob:thanks, as always, for your personal attacks; they make my efforts look that much more... heroic. I am the shiny knight :-halo fighting a lonely fight against the evil mesh monster :-fume In this particular thread, I was helping a user of your mesh files solving a problem - where were you?Fact is that the replacement file for your akmesh.zip has the same issues as the original, though they affect a smaller area. Here are some pictures for proof: http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...=1612&mode=fullI'm confused about your intentions regarding the faulty files. Here's what you say in the read-me doc of your Idaho-Wyoming mesh file:"The following files are no longer supported( and will vanish off FS web sites ) Alaska ( all versions )Seaor.zipNYC CityIf you have any of those files , you are to delete them."However, those 650MB of files are still available here and on other FS webservers. As long as they remain available, people will download them and then report the problems here, and we'll continue the cycle ad infinitum. Cheers, Holger

Greetings:" thanks, as always, for your personal attacks; they make my efforts look that much more... heroic. I am the shiny knight :-halo fighting a lonely fight against the evil mesh monster "You really think so ? I doubt that kinda tone and or attitude suggests your claim or betters the FS community at large." In this particular thread, I was helping a user of your mesh files solving a problem - where were you? "I dont hang in forums. I have a life ,and hobbies that takem me outside away from the computers. This issue was emailed to me just the other day." Fact is that the replacement file for your akmesh.zip has the same issues as the original, though they affect a smaller area. Here are some pictures for proof: http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...=1612&mode=full"Well , a few thousand have no problems, re check the add ons that can cause that to ANY mesh or scenery."I'm confused about your intentions regarding the faulty files. Here's what you say in the read-me doc of your Idaho-Wyoming mesh file:"The following files are no longer supported( and will vanish off FS web sites ) However, those 650MB of files are still available here and on other FS webservers. As long as they remain available, people will download them and then report the problems here, and we'll continue the cycle ad infinitum. "I emailed Rick at AVSIM.COM twice......the email below is the 2nd mail.-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA1*** PGP Signature Status: good*** Signer: Robert Gainer *** Signed: 2/20/04 21:55:04 PM*** Verified: 3/2/04 6:35:56 PM*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***From: "Rob" To: "RRossner/AVSIM" Subject: Pls REMOVE files....thxDate: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:55:04 -0500File Manager(s) Can you pls remove akmesh.zip As akmesh_updated.zip replaces that file, and will save space bandwidth on your part. Also seaor.zip A new MESH was sent to you , just an hr ago which includes all of Washington State - Oregon State & Montana State. So again , its a space saver bandwidth buster. Im sorry for any workload I may / will have caused.Robert L Gainer B.,LawiQA/AwUBQEUaRindl07FF1ECEQLU8wCg5vXlMjvkwXbkq0pyvc5xh7cwNioAoJwNY3Y9wBCmfRiBkB8LKfpyl+Pc=M9w5-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----You may or may not know...but all MY email is Digitally Encrypted with a KEY ( public key to verify on PGP servers ) .This key can be visbale if I choose, or not.If any person changes any text between the signature it will Verify as FORGED . ( see post elsewhere on avsim for details )It can also Encrypt an entire email with a provate key given by me to whom ever I choose.The emails sent you Mr.H.Ssandmann were always signed, I had noticed you had said I sent VILE emails to you or others...pls forward them to me, so I can ( or you can with your PGP ) verify the KEY.Im looking forward to your claims of VILE emails , so that your claim ( again ) can be put to rest with facts.I suggest Holger, you go about your life...and I will as well...you do not post about me, nor I will about you.Besides, sour grapes make for a lousey wine.End it here.....no more.Robert L Gainer B.,Law

Hi Robert.I just thought I'd get in the last word. Hope I didn't spoil your day.To recap:Jurjen had a problem with some addon scenery.Holger suggested it may have been some mesh you created.Jurjen responded it was, in fact this mesh, and thanked Holger.You responded with nonsense.Is this right? Is this a pattern you have developed to respond to problems in your life... the life that doesn't give you time to view forums? Or is this type of response reserved just for our pleasure?Dick

>Hi Robert.>>I just thought I'd get in the last word. Hope I didn't spoil>your day.>>Not at all :)Hmm, 2187 posts since mar 2002.365 days a yr.....so2002 - 2003 = 365 days2003 - 2004 = 365 daysTotal = 730 daystotal posts by you: 2187so lets do some math:you have posted every day 2.9 posta day for 730 days, 2 yrs without fail.seeing as its math , the 2.99589041095890410958904109589041 would be rounded off......3 Posts a day, every day for yrs .....LOLCheers!!Rob

Ah, then it is your life. How sad.Your problems with mesh can be fixed.

Hi Rob,Really--seriously, though, Rob, any designer of anything, has some obligation do some sort of testing before public distribution. The tools for testing are readily-available, and a simple fly-through, or even spot-testing in slew mode will bring obvious, glaring errors to light. Testing is an integral part of the design process. There is more to mesh-design than spitting out BGLs through the resampler. The source data must be prepared, verified, fixed where necessary--and the result TESTED.While creating and distributing freeware generally may be a service to the community, creating and distributing freeware that is inadequately-tested and consequently faulty is a disservice because it not only wastes time and bandwidth and forces end-users to spend time they'd otherwise use for flying in tracking down and deleting the files that messed up their simulator.As well, part of being any sort of developer--freeware, payware, or whatever--is having a thick-enough skin to not descend into personal attacks when someone points out a flaw. It comes with the territory, Rob. And instead of personally-attacking those who point out the flaws in your products, you should say, "Thanks for pointing that out," and fix it.Simple as that.-------Justinhttp://www.fsgenesis.netHigh Quality Scenery for FS200x