I am not if this is to be expected or not; however, when I load the 6 stations with weights for the pilot and Pax and load the cargo the plane seems to sit back as if it wants to tip and lift the front gear off the ground. Here is an example of my weights from one flight.

 

Pos --- lbs.

1 ------ 180

2 ------ 140

3 ------ 204

4 ------ 214

5 ------ 102

6 ------ 114

Bags - 163

 

For fuel I had 43 lbs in each tank for a total of 86 lbs. It was a very short hop while I got used to how the plane handles. Speaking of which this is now my new favorite GA. I did apply the adjustments suggested on the Forums here for the night lighting in the VC, shockwave lighting for taxi and landing lights only, the flap adjustment, and the brake adjustment so they are not so strong. Oh, I also added the RealityXP 530 using the included installer. Sorry, I did not think to take a picture from the outside to show the tilt.

 

Is this an acceptable load or have I done something wrong here? Is that normal for it to lean back when loaded?

Wow mate :shok: Put your big people in the front seats, little people in the back and max bags = 50 :wink:

I tried shifting the heavy people forward and the light people back; however, I did not change the baggage so I can give that a try. The weights are generated for me by my VA's ACARS (are optional) but the bags are not, I didn't know the max was 50, that seems rather light though. I couldn't find anything in the manuals about the cargo capacity; however, it does mention 3,800 lbs on the Centurion II Reference pdf and that is nowhere near that amount with the 86 lbs fuel.

 

I'm pretty sure that 50 lbs max baggage is too light. I still can't find a reference for the M but I did find something about the B. The B only seats four though where the M seats six and the reference I found said the B has a max baggage of 120 lbs. The plane handles fine and everything; just that the visual model squats on it's back.

I found this on the T210M which shows max baggage is 120 lbs but is that with 6 pax and if you fold the aft seats down you can load another 120 lbs of bags into that area. So, it looks like my problem might be that station 5 and 6 weight 216 lbs in my example above. The manual seems to indicate it should not weigh more than 120 lbs though? That document also comes with all the info needed to calculate the center of gravity which is something I have never attempted to do.

So, it looks like my problem might be that station 5 and 6 weight 216 lbs in my example above.

 

It should not be... unless the gw.wt. exceeded or fwd/aft c.g. limits exceeded. If people - then is ok above 120lbs... only if it is baggage is limited to 120lbs... according to my read of that POH.

 

That document also comes with all the info needed to calculate the center of gravity which is something I have never attempted to do.

 

You can do by hand... add up weights of course for gw. wt. Determine c.g. by wt. x arm getting the "moment". "In the world" each plane has its own specific empty weight and calculated c.g. to get its moment (if not in "the book" / AFM)

 

You can do all this by hand then add up weight and moments... divide the total moment by total weight to get the c.g. (then see where it falls in the chart wrt total weight)

 

Or you can use a calculator similar to this: http://home.roadrunn...lph/wb210M.html

 

For fuel I had 43 lbs in each tank for a total of 86 lbs.

 

I think you mean gallons... 86lbs would be very close to the rate of consumption per hour @ 65% power for a C210M (according to that POH you linked to). Don't know about the T210M as that is not the C210 POH.

 

Using your figures for weight and the calc I linked to (and "standard" c.g. / arm position) you can see by the left pic you are over gross and very, very close to the aft c.g. limit, besides being over the aft baggage compartment limit.

 

And leaning back? I'd expect the nose to be light.

 

Dropping one pax and max bags @ 120lbs puts you safely within the Wt. & Balance envelope as can be seen for this fictious plane (Pic on the Right - Empty Wt. 2322lbs - Empty Wt. C.G. 42.7 inches).

 

Don't forget to check C.G. with expected fuel remaining after landing.

 

"Everything you ever wanted to know about Weight and Balance but were afraid to ask." : http://www.faa.gov/l...a-h-8083-1a.pdf

 

Hope it helps... Rob O.

 

 

Thank you, Rob, that is fantastic. It was only 86 lbs of fuel, the total trip was 15 minutes long and I only climbed to 2500' AGL. Like I said in my post it was a very short hop to feel the plane out. ^_^ I do see it likes to sit back though. I plugged in the values using my fuel and reducing baggage to 120. I was in the envelope at around 3,500 lbs and 52" CG

 

Is that webpage something I can download or is it only on the webpage itself?

It was only 86 lbs of fuel, the total trip was 15 minutes long and I only climbed to 2500' AGL.

 

Woof... ok...

 

Is that webpage something I can download or is it only on the webpage itself?

 

I think it just on the page itself. Aerosoft used to have a flight cac you could purchase but I can't seem to find... nor do I remember if it included a wt & bal. calc.

Woof... ok...

I know, but I really don't enjoy flying a pattern. I prefer to get out and maneuver till I feel how flight sim handles the model. Then turn right around and land or land at something nearby that can handle the plane; for example a grass strip. That was only my first flight with it. I will sit in the cockpit for an hour or so checking everything out and setting up my controls with FSUIPC. Anyway, I digress. Again, thank you for the excellent help.

I know, but I really don't enjoy flying a pattern.

 

oh no... I think that is great

 

I was just thinking in terms of fuel load is all and did not realize the fuel load was for just for the short flight (didn't connect the two).

 

And your digression sound perfect. :Big Grin:

 

Welcome btw...

My original quick answer on this problem was based on past operational experience with 210 aircraft generally here in Australia where fuel requirements were 45 mins reserve + fuel for planned trip (Taxi+Takeoff+Climb+Cruise+Descent+Circuit+Landing+Taxi) + fuel for alternate (if required). Most flights would have a minimum of 15 gallons a side fuel.

 

Although the POH may list a greater max bags in the aft compartment, in practice most operators find that in order to maintain C of G within the envelope with fuel burn during flight and, most importantly, on landing, the practical load for most 210s (and 206s) was 50 lbs in the aft compartment.

 

Luckily for most commercial operators the 210 and 206 range have very good floor loads forward of the aft compartment and plenty of spaces to tuck and restrain things away in those areas.