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Hi! I'm not a pilot, so when my wife told me she was getting me a plane ride for Farther's Day I was really excited. The she popped a question I didn't actually have the answer for.... I've got a one year old son. Can he go up with me? Does he need a special seat or something? Beyond the technical and FAA questions...has anyone else taken up a child this young? Did they actually enjoy it? Was it too loud?It's funny...it's always been my dream to get a license and fly my family out to see relatives and stuff but it never occurred to me that not everyone would be able to go with me..."Bye, little Timmy!!!!" :-lolTIA!

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A person can hold in their lap a child under two years of age provided the adult is properly belted in and briefed on the seat belts etc

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Thank you very much! Somehow I lost my bookmark to the FARs and it always takes me forever to find them again, but besides that it's always good to get real-world advice too.Thanks!So, anyone have any suggestions or words of warning?

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Hi.Not knowing what type of aircraft we are talking about some of these may not apply to you.Present this question to the FBO / pilot that will take you up, and make sure they know ahead of time, they can give more detailed instructions.Normally it is not much of a problem, but be prepared to return as soon as you observe a discomfort from the child.Some things you may want to do:Keep altitudes, bank angle and rate of climb on the low side < 6000, 20 deg., 500 FPM.Use your own senses, if you feel your ears acting up, it is likely that you are climbing too fast.Make sure you get something in his mouth that helps him to swallow continuously, not necessarily food.Eat a light meal before you go up, but have something solid and on the dry side.After takeoff make sure that he can look forward and has some way of looking at long distance, not at the instrument panel.Have fresh air, but not directed right at the child.I would look into some

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Geez, now I feel like I'm not really ready for this!! Just kidding. Thanks a lot for the info. I don't actually know what's going on. I don't even know for sure we'll be able to go up. For all I know there's going to be terrible weather. Of course, that would be fine by me, but knowing that airport we wouldn't actually be able to land. ;-)I'm hoping for a 172 or similar, but I really have no clue. Oh, I should mention that her original plan was to get me a glider ride and I told her no. HA! I tried not to be too harsh, and gently explained that if I was going up I wanted it to be in a real plane. :( We're planning to go to Stanton (KSYN) for their annual Father's Day pancake breakfast, and she's going to buy me a ride. That's the extent of my knowledge. And probably hers too, for that matter. Once we get there I have a feeling it will be up to me to speak "plane" english to the people in charge. I really hope my son enjoys it, but at the same time I don't want to miss out because he decides to get cranky and we're forced to land. Plus he's very grabby, so I'll have to keep him as far away from the panel as possible and I won't actually be able to see most of it. So I'm a little torn. Hey, maybe we'll have to turn around right away, she'll feel sorry for me, and let me take flying lessons. :-bigangel Oh, to dream.Well, I guess since I started this I might as well make a commitment to follow up and let y'all know how it went in case you're interested. Thanks!

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I personally recommend that you DON'T do this.First of all, there will be plenty of times you can share this love with your son. But right now, unless you are experienced to handle and deal with his needs in this environment, I think it is a bad idea. (sorry for not pulling punches. :-))Children can have very different reactions to flying and until you can assess these reactions slowly, this ride could be a waste of your money.If you do bring him up, be prepared to come immediately back to the airport. Be prepared to protect his ears--both from the noise and the altitude changes. Their nasal and ear canals are not developed like ours at that age (thus the reason why a baby can drink (nurse) and breath at the same time). They can not readily relieve the pressure in their ears during the climb and descent, so you need to either bring a bottle, a "binky", or something else to suck on.I have a 4 yo and a 2 1/2 yo of my own that I have taken flying with me. However, they were both in their carseats, mom was on board to tend to their needs, we had sippy-cups they could drink from to relieve ear pressure, we had suckers they could suck on to relieve ear pressure, we had comfort items, and I WAS PREPARED AND INFORMED THE TOWER THAT I MAY NEED TO IMMEDIATELY REENTER THE PATTERN FOR A LANDING.At that age, this is not something that should not be taken lightly (which you are already aware of since you asked a very good question). Kudos to you.Here is a very good article on the subject:http://avweb.com/news/columns/182653-1.html_____________________________Jeff S. KDTWPP-ASEL IR

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Wow, thanks! I didn't even think to check avweb or other sites like it. I think this might come down to the PIC's decision. If it's busy and stuff I won't even ask, but otherwise, I'll try to chat up the pilot and see what s/he thinks about it. Maybe the decision will be made for me. But then I haven't read the article yet either...off I go.

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I am with Jeff on this.. I strongly advise against doing this. You will probably end up in a 150 or 172, and you will most likely be given the left seat. You won't have room for the child in your lap, and you sure don't want a 1 year old banging around in the back. The noise and mayhem will most certainly put the stress factor for your son seriously up there. Not a good idea IMHO.

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I'm with the others. A one-year-old won't get anything from the flight and, geez, it's father's day, the flight's for you. Enjoy it.I found it hard to even go on the freeway when my kids were that young, knowing that it might take a while to reach an off ramp if we needed to.BlairCYOW

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Gotta agree with the folks who believe this to be a bad idea. For all the reasons they mention.My daughter was 7 before I took her for her first glider ride. Even then, I elected to turn the PIC duties over to a friend... I wanted to have my complete concentration on her and her needs, feelings, possible fears, etc. We flew a Schweizer 2-32 (2 1/2 seats), and after release from tow I allowed her to sit on Daddy's lap so she could easily see out... and I could know immediately if she was having any problems. Clearly, your son will not remember the event at his young age. Perhaps after he gets older you will BOTH enjoy the experience... together.Enjoy your flight,

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Thanks very much to everyone! Not to diminish the opinions of 2 people, but considering the additional number of "nay's" I think I'd better stop trying to talk myself into this. I really appreciate the honest and direct answers...and the research info, too.You know, I love this place. It needs more furniture, but the people sure are nice and helpful! :-)Thnk you very much all!

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Hi.>>Not to diminish the opinions of 2 people, but considering the additional number of "nay's"<

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>Hi.>>>>Not to diminish the opinions of 2 people, but considering>the additional number of "nay's"<<>>Whatever you decide it

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Hi.>>it will come down to the PIC. Then, 5 minutes later, it will come down to my son. <

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Ha! Story of our lives! What amazing power. :-)

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Okay, the extremely short version of the story is that all three of us went up, we all had a great time, and I got to fly.I'll come back later with the expanded, multi-page version. It's gonna be a long one, so you start making the popcorn and I'll be back in a couple of hours.

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Hi.I hope you got some pics, that he can use as proof of his first flight, when he will command the first Martian Space vehicle. I forgot to mention, you may have been able to log part of that flight, if your PIC was a CFI. TV

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This is terrific!!! Glad your plans worked out and you all had fun.:-beerchug As I write this I'm looking at an old, yellowed news clipping of my Father. In it he is 1 1/2 yrs old and standing in front of the left wheel of the Spirit of St. Louis. It was shot in 1929, during one of Lindbergh's many public appearences after his historic flight across the Atlantic. That clipping was one of his (and his Father's) most prized possessions. And it had alot to do with both of them spending their lives in aviation.Maybe your son will have a photo like that in his life.

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***Oh my God. This is a freaking documentary***My manusript is finally back from the publisher!Copyright 2003 :-lolOkay, so my weekend started off with a bang. I got up Saturday morning, turned on the computer, and it kindly beeped twice to let me know there was a message on the screen: No boot device found.All the pictures of my son, starting back to the day he was born and thru his first haircut and first birthday party, were gone. I couldn't get the computer to see the drive no matter what I did.Luckily, things picked up greatly from there.By Sunday morning, my husbandly instincts were telling me that I should try my best to take Parker (my son) up in the plane with me. We got to Stanton Airfield (KSYN) at about 9am and both (uh, my wife and I) uttered a few choice words at the sheer number of planes, cars, and people on the grounds. I had no idea it was going to be that big.Around 9:30 we were still in line to get our breakfast, and the sun was already killing me. I also noticed several people were talking to the person standing behind the "Plane rides here" table, but decided I'd better not rock the boat. People get crabby when they're hot and haven't eaten yet. Breakfast was nice, but I wasn't really hungry anyway. Well, I was hungry, but the hangar we were in was pretty much blocking all views of the planes and runway, so I was in a hurry to get into the open.(I'll try to get to the point here)We decided that we weren't really prepared to spend a large amount of time there, so Steph (wife) went back home to get supplies. While she was gone I sat with Parker and watched him watch the planes. He looked pretty happy with the situation and the sounds weren't scaring him, so I kept jumping from one plane's shadow to the next, getting closer and closer to the runway.(If I ever buy a plane, I want something with high wings)Before long we were in the "front row" and he was having a blast. He never took his eyes off the planes as they taxied, took off, and landed directly in front of us. I tried desperately and repeatedly to keep the earplugs in his ears, but he wasn't interested in that. But it didn't seem dangerously noisy, and any time it got bad I covered his ears.(I'll get to the flight, hang on)Okay, so she comes back, I go get signed up, and then get directed to a PIC to ask about taking my 1 year old up. He tells me to go get the carseat from our car. Oh, and he also mentions that it's REALLY bumpy out there. I shot a quick glance at Steph, but her eyes weren't bugging out, so I figured I was still safe. Oh, right...I should mention that the people in charge are sending groups of people up at a time so Steph decided to go up as well so that we had a better chance of having the plane to ourselves, and so I might be able to sit up front. Also, one of the ladies there said she wouldn't charge us for Parker, which was extremely cool since he would actually be taking up space with his carseat instead of just being held. It's now 1:30!!!(All right, thanks for your patience...here we go)There I was, in the right hand seat (I was unknowingly stepping on the rudder pedals while shoving myself into the seat...I hope I didn't hit anyone with the rudder) and I think I was giggling the whole time. Engine startup was almost guaranteed to startle Parker, but by this time, he was pretty well exhausted since he spent naptime watching planes instead of, well, napping. Plus he was in his nice comfy carseat, so he spent the entire time looking out the windows and sucking on his pacifier. (I gave away the ending there)We never went above 2,000 AGL and while it was pretty bumpy, the pressure was good the whole time. After we overflew our house (which I had THE HARDEST time spotting), the magic happened:"Do you want to fly?"I sat there with a stupid look on my face and could only utter, "Do I FLY, or do I WANT to fly?" (I was so busy soaking everything in that I didn't really hear what he asked me)."Yeah, do you wanna fly?"The stupid giggles came back and I nodded my head so hard my sunglasses almost flew off. After I grabbed the yoke with a grip so hard it would crush the Hulk's hand (compared to the tumb and forefinger the pilot was using...ha!) he had me do a left turn, then a right turn, then after that I don't really remember because I was flying a freaking plane!!!!The first time he had me pitch down, however, was not one of my finer moments. I eased down on the yoke, my body pitched forward, so I inadvertently pushed on the yoke harder, and then the bottom dropped out from under us. So there. Now I know what negative g's feel like in a small plane. :-)After a quick apology to everyone on board, we continued on for a bit. I have to say I did pretty dang well, too. I was maintaining altitude very well, and considering how bumpy it was, I was doing a pretty good job of staying in control. Once we got about 600 agl and not very far at all from the runway, the pilot took over again. (I love this part)"You're a natural at this...you should take flying lessons!"I'm trying not to let that statement go to my head...I was almost expecting it. Not because I think I actually did that well, but because, well, he's a CFI, and you know, he'd probably like to teach someone how to fly...it sorta pays the bills, I understand. So I'm not taking what he said to heart, but at the same time I wonder how many other people he offers control to (probably all of them), and how many do something that makes him NOT want to teach them! :-)As we were taxiing back, he asked if I worked with heavy machinery or anything, which struck me as a very odd question, but then I was still not quite focused on listening to human speak. I gave him another stupid look and a slight shake of my head (which he probably didn't see since he wasn't looking at me). He replied, "'Cuz you've got a pretty good touch...most people that do heavy machinery don't tend to yank on the controls the way people that sit in front of a computer do." :-xxrotflmaoI've got pictures, but they're not great ones. I snapped a couple of Parker in his seat, but for all anyone knows he's in a car. A couple others are of me holding him in front of the plane we just got out of. They're behind me on a little table in my office right now.That was easily one of the best days of my entire life. I don't care how, but one way or another I absolutely must become a pilot. I have to get back up there. I need to get back up there. I belong up there.Oh, and my hard drive is just fine now, so all the pictures and everything are saved (and backed up to CD...several of them). I don't know what happened, or if it's going to do it again, so I bought a new one. The old one is serving up extra space right now because I don't trust it.

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Hi, Stompy.You are quite a writer. I am glad things went well for you. I

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Hi! Thank you!Well, I figure if I was any kind of writer I would have been able to relate the story in less than 8,000 words. :-)I'm glad things went well too...because they could very easily have gone very badly. I really do respect and appreciate all the advice and suggestions I got. I don't mean to make it sound like I set out to prove everyone wrong, either. For all I know he'll absolutely freak the next time he's in a plane, so everything I've read here will stay with me as part of my growing experience, and I don't consider this 15 minute flight to be a real answer to the question. Who knows, maybe someday a parent will ask me, the PIC, if he can bring his son aboard and I'll be able to answer as coherently and helpfully as you all have for me.I would like nothing better than to pursue the license, and I'll spring at the first opportunity. I would give up just about everything for the chance. But those opportunities seem very far and few between due to monetary restrictions and the fact that my wife will kill me if I take a pay cut. I'm still hopeful, though. It's going to happen someday, I just know it is.

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I enjoyed reading what happened. You DO have a flair for writing. I understand your desire to share the experience with your son... I'm glad it went well for everyone, especially for him. Now I hope you thanked your wife for the great Father's Day present. -Lindy :-wave

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Hiya Lindy! Yes, actually as we were piling into the Explorer (dang slow, low flying piece of junk) reality started creeping back in and it suddenly occurred to me to thank her. *PHEW!* As I recall, she then thanked me for not killing us all. ;-)

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Hi Stompy,I'm glad it worked out for you, and that you all got to go. I've been asked to take a little-one with people that I've taken up in the 172SP, and I've always denied the request. I just don't want that additional level of potential issues when he/she wants to get off. But, each PIC has their own response to such a request.Do you think you'll take up flying?Bruce.

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