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Hi, I'm a "potential" student at ERAU and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about their Admissions program there. I just recieved my ACT scores and I was trying to figure out what the average acceptance of ACT scores was, and what the minimum accepted score was also. I recieved a 25 on my last ACT and I was wondering if that is acceptable to the admissions board. Thanx for any help guys!`Brent Burklo

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While I come from the East Coast, where we do SATs, I just finished my 2nd year at ERAU. I'm in the Aero Sci program with an area of concentration in Commercial Aviation. I graduated a private high school with a 2.8 (equivalent to a 3.1 or .2 at a public school) and an 1100 on the SAT. I'm not sure about ACT scores and how its scaled, but I think anything in the top quarter of the rankings will get you in. Just make sure you love flying, can afford it, and go for early acceptance if you are absolutley sure that ERAU is where you want to attend.

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Just finished my first year here and love it. I graduated high school with a 3.75 GPA and a 1200 SAT. It's not cheap, and I've heard that as long as you've got the money they'll take you. Don't really know if there's any truth to that, though.

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Well, I've got the money, and based on some of your entrance grades and reports I probably will have no problem getting in. I have a 4.3 gpa, 1100 on SAT, 25 on ACT and much love for the art of Flying...can't wait to go guys! C you all in one year!

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Careful what you do. I would recommend applying to other schools as well (not that you won't get into Riddle, pretty much everyone does as long as they pass the credit check :)). The reason being so that you have options in case you find stuff out and you end up not wanting to go here. My buddy works for FedEx and he's saying that the pilots at the feeder there hate Riddle kids, not sure why. Seems to be a general feeling in the industry...Have you started flying yet? I would recommend you get your private (you said you have a year) first, it will save A LOT of money and you won't be stuck doing your private in the Level 6 Sims with unloggable sim hours. I did the same thing, even took my private checkride on the same day I drove down here. Probably saved me over a year of flight training time. To give you some figures, the current rate for a 172 is $105/hr and I belive $50/hr for instuctor. When I came here (2000), flying the same brand new planes, it was $65/hr for plane and $40/hr for instructor. A lot cheaper.I also had about 13 credits that were transfer credits from high school AP tests and the such. That right there was about $10k in savings. Can you see how focused I am on money? That's because the university (I'm assuming many do) just sucks it away. I came here in the fall of 2000 and just graduated less than a week ago. I'm now looking for jobs :(. Not so good right now.If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them the closer you get to coming here.mcwise@hotmail.com

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Well, I wouldn't be attending ERAU my first year. I'm going to a Christian College my first year that offers a Flight program and I will be attending there to get my license and do some other checkrides . It's cheaper there than at ERAU so it's a better choice. I would transfer to ERAU my 2nd year as a sophomore and go into the simulator and such. That's my plan right now...i may even get my license before i get into college so its all kind of shaky right now! But Thanx for the tips guys!

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hey ual,why the fascination with riddle? why not just get all your ratings at a good part 61 school? or goto a "real" school like purdue, und, siu, etc? the simulator "stuff" that riddle gives you is not worth anything when it comes time to interview for a job.

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Hey chickenhawk,I don't know too much about Aeronautical schools, so all this Part 61 and und, siu stuff doesnt' mean anything to me. I interested in finding another school if its available. And btw: Having a degree from ERAU does look EXCEEDINGLY well in a job interview! No offence or cruelness at all in that statement, but its true! I know several graduates who have gotten top knotch jobs b/c of their education from ERAU. thanx for the replies.!Brent burklo~ Brentbefine79@aol.com

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>why the fascination with riddle? why not just get all your>ratings at a good part 61 school? or goto a "real" school like>purdue, und, siu, etc? the simulator "stuff" that riddle gives>you is not worth anything when it comes time to interview for>a job.There's more to Riddle than just flying, you know? We are just as real of a school as others. Aerospace, computer science, human factors...all kinds of other degrees and classes.

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Hey guys, from what I've heard ERAU is very reputable in churning out aviation professionals, whether it be from pilots to administrators. I would go there except for the fact that it is too expensive. I do already have a job with a regional airline in their marketing department and a career lined up - and I am only 21! The airline is the one there in my signature ;) We're growing by leaps and bounds especially in the wake of Air Canada's shrinking.I do, however, plan on acquiring my AMBA from Concordia University in Montreal or taking Corporate Vision's (London, UK) Global Aviation Management Diploma course for graduates. I have been accepted to Corp-vision's program even though I haven't yet finished my undergraduate degree. The head hauncho at Corporate Visions told me in a recent e-mail that Dr. Wensveen of Embry Riddle is one of the instructors. Do any of you ERAU guys know him?So all in all, I guess what I'm trying to say is you don't have to go spending an arm and a leg to make it - at least, not in Canada. I doubt there is any difference in the USA. It's who you know in the end. Start networking and introducing yourself to airline professionals as early as you can, they're the ones who will ensure a career is achievable. I introduced myself to one of the owners of Hawkair and now I have my foot in the door. As a result, I have made so many contacts in the industry - CEO's, and VP's from airlines as small as Amigo Airways to Zip Air and WestJet. Good luck with whatever you choose, but remember to network. Work on your communication skills as much as possible, they will get you everywhere.Local Air is Better Air- www.hawkair.ca

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Riddle was voted by US News and World Report (several years in a row, I believe the last ranking was done in 2001 or 2002 if I'm not mistaken) as having the best Aeronautical Engineering program in the country. It outranked even the Military academies.While I am in no way saying that Riddle is the best (I suppose it is for engineering) nobody else slandered other 'real' schools. You seem to have a bone to pick.skyyP.S. I suppose my 'unreal' B-1900D SIC signoff (as a result of Level D training) isn't worth anything to an airline...or my 16 hours in a 737-800 level D isn't worth anything as well? In fact, I would wager that these would be worth their weight in gold if I went for an interview with a regional, especially if they flew 1900's, which many still do.

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get real bluesky....they will pick you apart with systems questions on beech 1900's and 737's. i know of at least 5 riddle graduates who do not even list the simulator stuff on their resume because they will ask you a ton of questions on their respective systems. the sic signoff is worth squat to a 1900 operator like mesa or great lakes. you will still go through ground school with the rest of the other candidates.who cares if it has the "best" aeronautical engineering program in the country. name one company hiring ae's right now. there are no jobs right now in todays environment. look at it from a practical perspective. i can give you my current CFI student's (a riddle graduate who now works the line in Hickory, NC) phone number and he can explain the importance of the sim time.riddle is a fraternity, but that is all it is. you learn the same stuff from other aviation schools. a degree from riddle means almost nothing in a job interview. all that matters is knowledge and time. the flying at riddle is way overpriced. the education is top notch, however, but you better be getting something for the amount of money you spend.riddle is not the be all and end all of aviation schools. it sells itself as this. there are a TON of schools out there who teach the same stuff (and some even do it better).all i'm saying is with the airline industry in the way it is, just get a non-aviation degree as something to fall back on. get your cfi and instruct, build time, pay your dues like everyone else. a riddle graduate in todays hiring environment is a $100,000 private pilot.also, avoid these rip off pay for flight training places (like Gulfstream Academy). what these places do not tell you is their graduates are not that respected in the front lines (they're viewed as sell-outs). the fo's they produce are blamed for lowering pilots wages.

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brent,no offense, but educate yourself on this subject before wasting $100,000. stay at the christian school and get a degree there. fly at a local airport, or some other nearby school and try to get your CFI as quickly as possbile. instruct while you're in school and build time. you will be considered for jobs (when and if the airlines start hiring again) just as evenly as a riddle grad.goto www.flightinfo.com and visit the message board there (the general topic area). post this same question and see what they say.

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>172 is $105/hr and I belive $50/hr for instuctor:-erks Someone slap me silly and call me Shirley! $155 for an hour! THATS INSANE! THATS SICK! And I hear you don't get to fly so much becuase of the overwhelming amount of students... Here at a regular flight school for a PPL you could get all that for atleast25% cheaper! I've considered ERAU, but there are many other excellent schools, of equal or better conditions - but thats still four years away :)My Two Cents... or should I say $155? :-erksJason :+

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172SPs go for $100-$110 in this area, look it up. There's more than enough planes for the number of students. I've been turned away once, when all of the Arrows where down for some emergency maintanence. You'll never have problems getting a 172 here.

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Hey Brent.I will give you my point of view, as a freshly graduated Aerospace Engineer from the Daytona Beach campus, also with about 350 hours and Multi/Comm/IFR, as well as CFI ground school done.Emrby-Riddle is ranked, for the third year in a row, the #1 school in the country for Aerospace Engineering. That department is where I was, but my ex-girlfriend flew, and so did many of my friends, so I have heard good and bad. Basically, the school is expensive, but it pays off.I have since come back to Brasil, and Embraer, for example, where my father is chief pilot, is very eager to interview Embry-Riddle pilots. The quality of standardization, something hard to get out of Part 61 schools, is what airlines and even aircraft manufacturers, like Embraer, look for. Embry-Riddle will give you this. Their instructors all work pretty much exactly the same, so no matter who is on the right seat, you get the same lesson as you would with anyone else.You might argue that individuality counts, but as I see, there is plenty of room for that, as some people get through portions of flight faster than others.As far as I remember, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, a Part 141 school (such as Riddle) has the ability to issue their own licenses (except for the commercial ride, I believe), which demonstrates the trust the FAA has on them. I know, for example, that your CFI checkride is done with a Riddle checkpilot, not with the FAA, although you do have that latter option should you prefer it.Part 61 schools, like most FBOs, do not. Not that their teaching is not as good, it varies, some could be much better than Riddle. But the difference is in the consistency.I have many friends I met at Riddle that fly in the airlines, and many that I met through Embraer, and the general consensus is that Riddle is very good.In my field, my diploma has definitelly turned heads and opened doors. People do honor Embry-Riddle's position.Plus there are several other degrees there (Computer Science, ATC, Meteorology, Human Factors, Electrical and Civil Engineering, Business), the campus is really nice, the classrooms are small (a big plus to be in a classroom with 30 kids instead of some with 400 at other schools), and most teachers are excellent, having dozens of industry experience (the majority of teachers in Aero Sci have come from Airlines and Military, and several have PhD.s).If I were you I'd try a tour, if you can. They can show you everything, including the incredible ammount of technology that Riddle has (all of their more than 50 Cessna 172s are at max a year old. After that, they turn them back to Cessna and get new ones).If you have more questions, please e-mail me at fabiomiguez@hotmail.com

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Thanx for your input Fabio, out of everyone here it has helped me the most. But here is my situation. The probability of me actually getting my PPL or IR checkride at Embry Riddle is very slim. I have a HIGH chance of attending Liberty Univ. my freshman year of college and it does have a Aeronautical department where you can recieve your PPL and IR checkride. And If I didn't get it at Liberty I would get it here in Tampa before I went to college. It just saves a whole lot of money. I do have a scheduled tour for the Daytona Campus coming up and i am exstatic about that. I am also going to check out Liberty's Aero department before I choose to select them as a start for me. Thank you all for your input and suggestions, they have all been taken into consideration.~Brent BurkloBrentbefine79@aol.com

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<< know of at least 5 riddle graduates who do not even list the simulator stuff on their resume >>Perhaps they should have studied more throughly. I feel very confident in B-1900D questions, and so-so on the 73. While I may not be able to answer questions that a fresh airline f/o could answer, that is not the point. The point is I am familiar with the operations of a large jet, making the transition from piston to turbine easier. One of my old flight instructors went to Contiental Express and couldn't pass the checkride on the ERJ. I'd be willing to bet that with exposure to the 'big iron' stuff early on he would have been more successful. He did not go to riddle.<>It's getting to that ground school that makes a difference. With a SIC signoff the airline knows I am familiar with the aircraft, and that I can hack similar ground school environments if they fly other aircraft. That's like saying that a company would hire someone with no experience over someone with some experience (everything else being pretty much equal). That's BS and you know it.<>That wasn't the debate. You inferred riddle as being 'unreal' in one of your previous posts. This was merely a rebuttle of your jab. Not if companies are hiring. That I will not dispute :). Also, I'm sure you know that networking is a HUGE part of obtaining a job (true in any industry really). 25% of all airline pilots right now are Riddle graduates. That's a huge contact base.<< i can give you my current CFI student's (a riddle graduate who now works the line in Hickory, NC) phone number and he can explain the importance of the sim time.>>Tell him to network more. Also, what is he working on? I finished all my ratings in less than 5 semesters. I'm a SEL/MEL Comm-Inst. CFI/I.<>This is called Marketing. Pepsi isn't the 'be all - end all' of soft drinks. But the commercials sure try and sell you that idea. While it may be construed as 'hype', it has merit. Riddle's flying is geared toward training future airline pilots. Everything that is done is done for a reason, such as flows, the Operations Book, etc. They all have an airline connection somehow. Not to say that the flying is the best you can get! I'm sure it's not. There is always something better. But the program is darn good. <>I prefer to not think of it as building time. I like flying, and I enjoy sharing my experiences with other students. While I do want to fly for an airline one day (I think I would like to stick to a smaller regional) it is not merely a means to an end.<>I wholeheartedly agree. I remember reading an article specifically targeting Gulfstream Academy as well. skyy

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OK Guys,What is a good aviation school on the east coast ? My son wants to go into Aviation Management (good choice ?) and from there try to become a pilot for a major carrier... he said that he would like to drive airbuses. He can't stop talking about Embry Riddle .P.Z.L.Sorry about the login and sig difference... didn't see that I was logged in under my son's id.

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Riddle is good for flying, not sure how good for management. It might be better to go to a much more well rounded school to get a BS in management. Look up the requirments for airlines that are currently hiring managers or ask around on industry message boards. Incidently Airbus offered to give the Daytona campus 2 new Level D Airbus sims (I belive A320's). All riddle would have to do is maintain them. Pretty Cool. I'm assuming riddle will accept the deal (i'd hope so atleast lol).skyy

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If your son goes to riddle you better mortgage the house once more....Tell him to get a business degree at a non aviation school. Take lessons and fly at a local school and build time eventually getting his CFI. He can instruct while at school getting his business degree.A good head start might be to have him get his private pilots license before he graduates high school.

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blue skyy,you still at riddle? (it sounds like it)are any recent riddle graduates getting jobs right now? i'm sure their placement is no different than comair, panam, or a part 61 school, etc yet the costs are much greater. that is my only point.learning flows/callouts/etc can be gotten by buddying up with another pilot, buying a $45 book, and practicing yourselves. my point is that a lot of what riddle/comair/panam pass off as airline "prepping" can be learnt from much cheaper books and asking pilots.as far as your cfi flushing out of coex, too bad for him. my understanding is you need to study your but off for the ground school, perhaps he did not. any college should prepare you to study. i know of 3 people from my little 61 school who have survived at coex (the layoffs). too bad they ain't hiring either.i miss the glory days of 800hr cfi's being sucked up into the system. i guess i was 2 years too late.i would be floored if 25% of ALL airline pilots are riddle grads. you might want to check that out and reverify. here is alpa's intro for beginners:http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/Vi...?DocumentID=835it says half of all airline pilots are ex-military. so your telling me 50% of all civilian trained airline pilots are riddle grads? i don't think so.

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>>There's more to Riddle than just flying, you know? We are just as real of a school as others. Aerospace, computer science, human factors...all kinds of other degrees and classes<<

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