August 8, 201312 yr ...always remember that some of these procedures were initially written when ATC was a dude standing on the ground with flags: Oh those, we still have them :biggrin: Okay, not quite, but we certainly have non-radar approach control and public transport jets flying into uncontrolled ports (meaning Class G - IFRs only get traffic info with regard to each other). David Zhong New video every Thursday: Aircraft Lighting - Boeing 777
August 8, 201312 yr Airbus doesn't draw the entry procedure, that I have seen (A3xx/330/340). A380 and A350 might, but they are completely different avionics. That parallel entry doesn't look right. It should cross the fix, then literally fly parallel to the inbound track on the outside of the hold. The turn in should then start outside the inbound turn of the hold, crossing the inbound turn as it turns back in to join the inbound track to the fix. If the aircraft flies it as drawn in your sketch, it's not flying it correctly. Best regards, Robin. The problem here is that you are comparing flightschool flying with modern airline business! In a flightschool cessna you dont have an FMC. You learn to enter a hold as you described. A modern FMC has such a thing as "Fly By" waypoints and "Fly Over" waypoints. 99.9% of the waypoints you see in your 777 FMC database are Fly By waypoints. Do you have the 737 NGX? Try it, put a trip in the FMC with a 90 degrees angle between waypoint A, B and C You will notice that the aircraft, going from A to B will turn before reaching B and will intercept that 90 degrees track from B to C. (by the way, in a cessna you would want to use the "fly by" intercept method (turn just before you get there) as well for route segments like this!) A waypoint would have to be defined as a "Fly Over" waypoint if you want the aircraft to cross overhead B before turning back to the outbound track from B to C. Sometimes this can be necessary, but 99.9% of the times you dont want this rather unsufisticated kind of intercepts. Like I said only very few "fly over"waypoints exist. On the Boeing aircraft I am familiar with you can not create "Fly Over" waypoints yourself. They have to be part of a programmed database procedure. On the SID/STAR charts that I am familiar with, "Fly Over" waypoints are marked by a circle around them. Anyway, that hold intercept in the drawing is using the "Fly By" principle and by doing so it stays on the safe side of the holding pattern. Safer (but also ok) as you would do with a Cessna when Flying over the entry fix. So it is doing nothing wrong. Rob Robson
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