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Guest bonjourmoi44

I am as well from Denver, I never thought we would get this!!!! I am very excited. Can't wait. I hope they do really well with it....But I am sure they will!!!!!!!

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Guest paddy

Amazing!!This quality of pictures sets a new standard as from now on:If future scenery software does not at least has this quality of beautiness, then don't buy it any more....Thanks for showing us these pictures.Paddy.

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Hi Paddybegs the question when is FS going to look like this as standard out of the box, the technolgy is there so why not apply it?

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Hi Clayton,I fully agree with you!The technology is available at this very moment as Fly Tampa has proven.Assuming that MS is developing FS 2006 at this very moment, we bluntly may expect (I hope) that this technology will be applied by the mighty software company Microsoft is! But let me tell you this: Knowing the standards which are possible nowadays and comparing the future FS 2006 out-of-the-box product with these standards, I expect a disappointment....Paddy.

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I'm very much looking forward to the Megascenery PNW release as WA is one of my favorite places to fly. As long as there's a way to make it work with the Georender airports it will be awesome.The new "Megacity" tech is a step in the right direction and brings the quality of Megascenery cities to a similar level of other photographic sceneries. Unfortunately they are still using 5m IRS images upsampled to 4.8m for most of the scenery which makes it less detailed than other photographic sceneries at low altitudes. Still with features like autogen, night scenery, repositioned FS2004 airports and winter scenery to almost make up for it, it will be an awesome release.

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>Hi Paddy>>begs the question when is FS going to look like this as>standard out of the box, the technolgy is there so why not>apply it?>A couple of factors, at least: (a) cost and (:( distribution. (a) cost: the data required to produce such scenery costs money. The amount of work involved in producing such scenery costs time and resources, both of which also boil down to money. Economies of scale mean that for the same scenery area coverage Microsoft would not need to charge as much per unit as the Megascenery packages ... but ... Microsoft would need to provide such coverage for pretty much the entire world (or the entire US at the very least). Take the cost of a Megascenery package, multiply it by however many factors are needed to provide global or national coverage, then divide that figure by an economy of scale factor. That's how much extra FS2006 would cost per unit just for scenery. (:( distribution: the volume of data required for such coverage would be enormous. This has implications for the publisher - how to distribute such massive amounts of data in a cost-effective manner - and for the user - do I have enough free space on my system to install this game?

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Let's put it this way:Megascenery Norcal is 3 CD's for 30,000 sq miles of summer-only scenery (though viewable in any season). That wuold make it 12 CD's for all seasons.Land Area of the US: 3,536,278 sq miles.Which means FS10 would have to ship on 1415 CD's if it were to include the entire US. That's still over 200 DVD's.Do you want to install 1400 CD's to your harddrive? Do you want to be the UPS guy who delivers them? Didn't think so :) Not to mention the scenery would cost $3500 or so.The solution is to stream the data off the net like the Keyhole viewer does but the tech isn't really mature enough for implementation into a sim like FS and not enough people have a fast enough connection.This doesn't stop MS from using more accurate road, stream and water data as well as a better landclass and mesh out of the box, though.

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Guest Len

Bautiful. The main problem with FS series is the ugly ground textures. They just ruin it for me. They need to overhaul the ground textures if the megascenery method can't be feasibly implemented at this time.

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CYYJ1968,You hit the right points and maybe there are more to consider.However, we don't ask to renew the whole world-scenery up to those standards, but to apply them to those sceneries, which at present are designated as to be "photorealistic" and to give us back the nostalgic Kai Tak Airport with the Hong Kong Area, just as Fly Tampa did so already for Dubai, San Francisco and San Diego, using those new standards.Thanks for your explanation, showing the matter seen from quite another aspect!Paddy.

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Guest cw1011

I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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I have a lot of trouble with the mega scenery - I have both so cal and nor cal, and both tend to show very signficant decay of image quality over time. You can't fly anything fast with the scenery, even with detail textures off.

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Hi Clayton,If you're looking for some cutting edge stuff you should consider getting VFR Terrain England and Wales (LOD11 19m) + VFR Photographic Scenery (England and Wales) based on Getmapping PLC's award winning aerial photography which displays in the sim at around 5m/pixel. Even better, add Visual Flight London to the mix and you have a veritable visual feast to rival anything else currently on offer :)At the end of the day, I think most of us will probably be content with downloading and installing accurate high resolution data for areas of the world we wish to explore in detail and become familiar. Personally, I am longing for the above equivalent to be produced for Scotland and the Western Isles. Meantime there is plenty on offer to keep me interested :)Cheers!Mike

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>Bautiful. The main problem with FS series is the ugly ground>textures. I disagree. The main problem with FS ground is that the number of textures is very limited. They are not ugly, there is simply not enough of them to create a convincing image of our Earth. I am using BlueSphere textures and they are slightly lighter default textures. Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

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Colin:1. For future reference, 1 psot is enough, no need to do 7...2. Have you tried turning your framerate setting to Unlimited? I had the same problem, and moving the slider full right fixed it almost entirely for me...Another thing to do is read what the tips tell you....stay below 5000ft and 200kts, and the scenery should load up clearly by the time you get to it...

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>Hi Paddy>>begs the question when is FS going to look like this as>standard out of the box, the technolgy is there so why not>apply it?> COST! MS would have to increase the size of their development team, to include all those who make payware products. Just as they hired all the current ones, when they bought the FS from Bruce. Increasing space & employee needs. MS may pay their employees even more, increasing the cost of the product. (Because of wages and profit sharing MS has over 50 Multi-Millionaire's working for them now.) IF MS, added all the things to FS, it would cost so much that no one would buy it. By buying addons, those who can afford them do so, those who have systems capable of handling the frame rate hit, do so. IF MS added such detail, they would have to charge as much, as Mega. does for each area of the country, PLUS, the rest of the world. Many do not fly outside their own area, they can buy one addon package to improve it, much cheaper. Those who would get a major framerate hit by having such detail, would stop buying the FS. Because the customer base shrank drasticly MS again would have to increase the cost 5 to 10 times what it would be, just by adding such detail. Many who fly heavy iron, never see such detail due to altitude, what a waste of money that would be. Those who dont want to pay piecemeal for areas of the country, can improve their scenery from http://www.fsgenesis.net where you can get MESH, Roads, Streams, Railroads, Utilities and landclass for the _entire_ world almost as good, for much less. And, it does not give such framerate Hits.... Bob

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The FSGenesis products are OK especially when combined with proper water scenery. Highly recommended for the casual VFR flyer. However they certainly have problems like missing towns and so on and of course landclass is just a combination of a fairly limited set of generic texture tiles.But mesh-only (which is what they have for most of the world) can not be compared to a complete scenery product. It's just elevation data like hills, mountains, nothing else. No wonder it's cheaper and takes less space.Microsoft should try to distirbute FS10 on DVD and at least include most of the world with 80m mesh as well as increase the number of "detailed" airports. I agree that from there they should let addon developers take over however. No need for super-accurate scenery when you're flying at 45,000 feet and only see a hazy blur below anyway.Re: framerate I get about 40 - 80 FPS over Megascenery, VFR Photographic etc. which is actually quite a bit higher than normal scenery. Most addon airports like Georender also provide excellent FPS.

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Bonjour bonjourmoi44 and Ridge Runner 5,I am not from Denver, but before being retired I had worked for 25 years for a Denver based company. I did spend a lot of time in Denver, sometimes as much as a total of 10 weeks in a year. The mile high city became like a second hometown for me. And boy, do I miss it!I am impatiently waiting for this MegaCity scenery.J.J.JJ StruyfBraine-L'AlleudBelgiumhttp://jdtllc.com/images/RCsupporter.jpg

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