Hi Folks, I'm planning a flight from Dinard/St Malo (LFRD) to Jersey (EGJJ). The STAR for Jersey Runway 27 (and my own inclination) is to fly direct from Dinard to the Jersey VOR on course 005 degrees. The approach plate for Jersey runway 27 starts at the same VOR and says to cross the VOR at 3000 feet and turn to 111 degrees. But this course change is 106 degrees and I thought turns this large are normally avoided. In fact, they are the reason for procedure turns. Can I really plan a flight with a turn over a VOR of more than 100 degrees? Or is there an alternitive I've missed?Cheers,N.

Hi,I'm looking at Jepp plate 11-2 for VOR ILS DME Rwy 27 18th Aug 2000. I can't find any reference to 111 degs. From the plate I'm looking at you would do a Sector 2 join (a Parallel join) to the JSY hold inbound on radial 087. If you are not sure what a Sector 2 or Parallel join is I'll be happy to explain. When you are in the hold and outbound the beacon, the plate describes the alternate procedure of extending the outbound leg the hold and then turn left to intercept the ILS.

Thanks for your reply. The plate I'm working from is the real world plate downloaded from the relevant UK aviation authority. It was attached to my first post. As I interpret this plate, the full procedure would be:1. Cross the Jersey VOR (course 005)2. Turn right to 111 degrees3. Descend to 2000 ft at 420 ft/min4. At 8.5nm DME from the ILS turn left to 266 degrees5. Fly back to the Jersey VOR6. On crossing the Jersey VOR, intercept the ILS glideslope and follow to the thresholdI would be most grateful for your interpretation of the plate. I suspect it is something to do with the hold at the VOR. But from the plate I can't see how you can use the hold to solve the problem of the large course change over the VOR.Cheers,N.

There appears to be an "Alternative Procedure" at the bottom of the chart.

When approaching the holding fix (JSY) turn (right) to parallel the hold on the non-holding side for about 1 min then turn in the direction of the holding pattern (left) though more than 180deg and return to to the holding fix (JSY) or intercept the holding course inbound (FAA Instrument Flying Handbook Chaper 10 Page 12).Then you can follow the Alternative Proceedure.

I don't use CAA charts or procedures, but even this doesn't make any sense to me. Why are you making a left turn in this parallel entry? That would be an improper turn away from the holding side.

Hi again,I am viewing the same plate as you now. The R111 does not mean that you need to turn R111 at the IAF, it is just the Radial for the base turn (Base Turn = teardrop type of ILS intercept) to intercept the ILS. Therefore ATC would not necessarily expect you to turn onto JSY Radial 111 when inbound on Radial 185 (QDM 005). Indeed they clear you to the hold on that track. If you were say inboudn JSY on R330 then it would be best to go straight into the base turn if cleared to do so. If you cast your eyes further down the page, you will see an Alternate Procedure. This extends the outbound leg of the hold. To use the Alternate you need to join the hold. This is a Sector 1 Parallel join (not 2 as I erroneously said before, not that it matters!). When overhead JSY turn right to track JSY R086 (remeber to account for wind in your heading). Then fly for 1 min +/- 1 sec for every knot of head/tailwind. Then turn Right to intercept JSY R086 inbound (inbound="TO" flag on VOR - forgive me if I am over explaining). Once on R086 you are in the hold. This is a left hand hold so when overhead JSY turn left onto TRACK 086, you can now invoke the Alternate Procedure.

You are right - I misread the direction of the hold. Divergent Phugoid has explained it in his post.

Thanks guys! I very much appreciate your help. I'll see if I can follow your suggestions.Cheers,N.

Just one more things:Where I wrote "When overhead JSY turn right to track JSY R086 (remeber to account for wind in your heading)."Replace with "When overhead JSY turn right to track 086 (remeber to account for wind in your heading).You don't track the radial on a parallel join, your track will, due to turning only when overhead JSY, be just outside of the hold. Sorry for the confusion!