Many MD80 threads, what about one more :An interesting review by Stellan Hilmerby, creator of the gorgeous Dc-9 panel and former MD80 Captain.http://www.hilmerby.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=422Actually confirms my thoughts. The Maddog is "talked bad" because of the missing LAGO support. Somewhat understandable, but the plane itself IS excellent.Mike

The Flight1 MD80 has taken the lead now... Lago's version is history on my system because of the bad visual model and the terrible support (the VC was great except for the terrible night lighting)...

As of yesterday I got the flight1 version too and all I can say is WOW! My Lago version took the museum position too.

That is really funny. You guys buy the LAGO Maddog, wait several months for the bug fixes. Now that's it's in a state to even impress a real world captain, you take it off your system. And replace it with something new, that again has numerous bugs (e.g. AP logic and behaviour) and now you wait again until all is fixed ?Mike

We know the Flight1 product will be fixed but the Lago version is in limbo.Speaking of impressing a real world pilot, first off the Flight1 bird came out the hanger on first try in better condition than the latest patched Lago version. This pilot needs to take a look at what CoolSky has produced... Lago has a terrible external visual model with virtually no liveries offered for it (freeware and otherwise). You can't compare these two products. Remember support is just as important as the actual product.The Flight1 product will be patched in due time so there's no complaints there; Lago's version on the other hand might be done for. It diffidently won't last into FS10...I like longevity with my purchases and Lago has all but closed up shop. The company bombed on FSE and it's been downhill ever since. The Flight1 MD80 will be around for quite some time and that's why people have chosen the better of the two aircraft...

>That is really funny. You guys buy the LAGO Maddog, wait>several months for the bug fixes. Now that's it's in a state>to even impress a real world captain, you take it off your>system. And replace it with something new, that again has>numerous bugs (e.g. AP logic and behaviour) and now you wait>again until all is fixed ?>>MikeActually mine's still installed. I am just guilty of always liking new toys :-) Mostly what I fly on my system just depends on my mood. COnstant moods, however, always revert to Eaglesoft, Flight1, LDS and PMDG products.

Hi,it's fashionable to complain about LAGO Maddog, but just read what the MD80 Captain said regarding the model.But anyway, on my FS box it is written "flight simulator". Not "screenshot simulator" or whatever. On yours not ?I give you just one example. You simulate an airliner flight. Look what the Autopilot does in the Flight MD80. Every rough vertical speed change, be it in certain modes or altitude capture, means an uncomfortable G change you wouldn't want to have (and you don't have) as a passenger in the real plane. That's just one of my personal "simulation points of view".Look at those comments by Stellan (he has a quite critical and detailed view of things):>> the panel version 1.50 by Lago is VERY,VERY GOOD >> The different systems react to inputs as I expect them to do>> It is possible to use the checklist from the real MD and get the response you want to see.>> The major part of the FMS react as the real system>> Takeoff and engagement of the A/T, climb out, Go-around and so on ->> it

>> I am just guilty of always liking new toys Yeah, me too :)Actually it's nice to have both Lago and Flight1. The Lago Maddog for flying - the Flight1 MD for following it's progress with the nice developers attitude.If the end result will be two excellent MD80s - one newer style with FMS, one older style with PMS/ONS - what could be better than that ?At least on my HD the two will peacefully coexist :)Mike

Exactly. When I said "museum position" above, basically it just meant I was loading the other more frequently -- for the mopment. My simming goes in spurts. I have so many moods it's nuts, and so many flares of adventure I love to endure in the sim.Tha Lago model works -- it's the company I am wondering if they put in the towel or not. Seems it got REAAALY quiet over there.No worries though . . . . And one other advantage of having both MD80's . . . more livery choices :-)

Got a message from LAGO yesterday the developers are working on one more patch to improve the LOC intercept and maybe other final refinements.Then JCA could finish the final merge of their models, and then there's an excellent choice of all sorts of MD 81/82/83/87/90 liveries for a few extra bucks.Mike

Everyone is also missing 1 other MD-80 here and thats the MDMax MD-80.The aircraft is very well done and now has a fmc and a new update.This is the PS1.3 of the MD-80 world as it takes alot of studying as I am finding out.I have the Lago and the new Flight1 and the MDMax out shines them both,but thats just my view as the MDMax does not have a VC. JeffG

Hi Jeff,well, for the price of the MDMAX you can get both LAGO and Flight1 and cover a certain MD era (old style with PMS, new style with FMC). Also neither Flight1 nor LAGO have such a restrictive license policy. You can e.g. install the LAGO without being connected to the Internet at all.Besides that, just as an example, if I read the MDMAX plane even descends at IAS Climb to pick up speed (a NO-NO in the real plane !), I have big doubt it can stand the very high measure of PS1.3.Maybe the MDMAX guys can donate Stellan Hilmerby a review copy, then Stellan could check it the same detailed manner as the LAGO Maddog. A direct comparison from an MD80 Captain would be certainly the most interesting.Mike

Hi Mike and others,I too have both the LAGO and F1 MD-80's peacefully co-existing on my system. I like them both, and also like seeing the F1 product evolve (heck, it's worth just paying the $$ to watch the developer's positive and effective attitude to support- does he ever sleep? :) ). I would also agree that the latest patch really brought the LAGO model into the running for a great product.I bought the MDMax product (out before the LAGO one was), and took various updates- but gave up on it back when the FMS was only to be offered to those who had a certain number of hours in the product. I understand that now that has changed, but I'm no longer interested in what may be a perfect system simulator. We're really lucky (those of us who like Mad Dogs) having such a choice in product. All 3 are somewhat different, giving us lots to choose from.Bruce.

Never heard of MDMax . . . . . LOL

I've also have both Lago MAddog and Flight1 Super80, after this latest patch, imho, the maddog is clearly superior to the Super80, but i don't regret buying it and i'm sure after 1 or 2 patchs it will be a great companion to the maddog.Jorge