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Can Anyone Offer a VISTA Tune-Up List Like Nick's XP List?

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If anyone has read Nick's XP Optimization List... you have to be impressed not only with the list ... but with the positive responses.I am in dual boot and finished diddling with the DX-10 preview and wanted to cash in on the "XP performance advantage." But I decided that it was to huge of a project to move 100 plus gigs and including who knows how many addons.So, as most of us are not gurus, is it possible someone has gone to the trouble Nick has to tune Vista?I downloaded Alacrity PC ... but I haven't got it figured out yet. Its not as straight forward as FSAutostart, IMHO. I have shut down some services, thanks to Blackviper.But there has to be more. I don't expect the XP advantage, but just to get the best possible Vista performance before tweaking the sim itself.If you have done this and will post... you will win the MVP award for Vista as Nick has for XP.Thank you very much,Steve

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I have a Vista list.. but I am in the middle of other things right now and since SP1 was released some of the items are getting re-evaluated.Vista is not going to tune like XP simply because of the complete and total domination it has over the partition which was one of the key elements to gaining CPU cycles back in optimzing the XP installFurther, I don

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Hello Nick,How do you think about O&O Defrag Professional 10.0 with Windows Vista. Can you see the same problems with version 10.0 you are described in the thread above?So, is it better to use O&O Defrag Professional 8.6 with Vista?Patric

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Thanks a lot, Jim... However, I just gave up on VISTA two hours ago.Possibly someone else will appreciate that page.

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That settled it, Nick...Not only is everyone reporting 5 to 15% better performance on XP, but Vista doesn't like my overclock strategy. I can't get above 3.6 ghz with my E6700 in Vista, but I'm up to 3.75 on XP with no problems.Two hours ago, I finished (if you can believ this) just over 100 gigs of FSX stuff. Now everyone please pray to God with me that I haven't lost the registration keys, License codes, passwords, Flight1 Wrappers, etc. I don't want to have to buy a lot of stuff again. Already I can't find my copy of Shockwave redux lights. Sheesh! But I've made the XP plunge, and I'll soon be using your list, Nick. Thanks much.SteveI'm looking for a good fresh install guideline list. I'm assuming I should run OO defrag prior to the first install, then again, then Accelleration, and then again. I'm going to search the forum now. Any ideas, anyone?

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Steve... Flight1 has an automatic system to send you your codes.. no worries

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Hello Nick, Thanks for your answer. But I must say you can run the version 8.6 with Vista. The version 8.6 is the Vista-compatible version of the 8.5 version.The question is if the problems you have described with version 10.0 are the same with version 8.6?Patric

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One of my 'senior' moments.. I apparently did not completely comprehend the question and my response should have said v8.5 would not run. v8.6 did not register correctly in my head when I read what you asked. LOLv8.6 I never used. It was on the market for a very short period of time before v10 was released. So to tell you the truth, I simply do not know. I would have to install it, run a COMPLETENAME defrag twice to ensure a valid test, then use the O&O cluster inspector feature (click on several sector display box in the data zone) to see if data is compacted by the software, or, if the software leaves free space between the sectors/files. If the cluster inspector displays no white empty slack space between files then it works the same as 8.5. If it does leave slack space it works the same a v10.

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Hello Nick,I've installed the 8.6 version with Vista Home Premium 32bit. I run the COMPLETE/NAME defrag method two times. Then I've checked several clusters with the cluster inspector. Many clusters look like this screenshot:image1nx0.jpgWhite spaces are never to be seen. So I think the 8.6 version works like the 8.5 version. What do you think?

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I would appear so.. That is how the 8.5 clusters would be optimized.The only problem is Vista will not allow the software 'full' access to the MFT or move the locked areas of the partitionSo the file order without the slack space is definitely a plus!But the amount of optimizing it gives you compare to XP is and will always will be limited because of how VISTA locks certain parts of the partition and does not allow anything access.Still, what you have there is better than most products.

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Nick ... if you are out there ...I loved your back to the Dark Side animation. In my effort to go back to the XP dark side I am taking my time. I have two 320 g Seagate drives. Primary is C where XP/page file is located.I am planning to install FSX on second drive desginated J .The machine is in dual boot. Vista 32 bit is still on drive J. For now I would like to leave the Vista OS system installed on drive J. It only consumes about 25 gigs. Mostly because if and when another game comes along with DX 10 that is good ... or if I buy Cyris or whatever, I could still use Vista.But for now... I have carefully and to the letter followed your XP guide. I have not installed FSX yet on Drive J [coming in from Drive C with XP, of course]. I have gone through the name defrag step. By the way I really really like OO Defrag.I thought I would stop there with my defragging and go ahead and begin the FSX, Accelleration install.My question is this. I want to do this right. But I don't want to overkill my time with the defrags.So could you please give me the sequence you would use on defragging the J drive. I mean when would you stop and use your defrag steps... both the Space Defrag and the Name defrag.Here are the biggies I have to install:FSXAccelerationUTXGEXNh (Should they be in that order to avoid some of the file changes to one or the other?FEXASXFTX for AustraliaFSGENesis LandclassAll of the Mesh plus version 2 updatesScenery Tech Land classX gaphicsNumerous sceneries:Megascenery: SOCAL, Hawaii, LasVegasFreeware: Several, serval including Vancouver and Victoria PlusAirplanes too numerous to mentionSome utilities, including FSDiscoverMisc small items, I may have forgotten just now.Please tell me when I should defrag and with which kinds of defrags. One thing I may have missed in the marathon "Wow" post was whether that long defrag process had to be completed prior to a "fresh" install. And then at what times during the installation and addon process should defrag happen and what kinds.Thank you kindly for your help, you are most gracious.Steve

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LOLUse the force, Steve.. let goSorry Steve.. there are no shortcuts involvedInstall everything on the drive, FSX, add0ns, updates, etc and repeat the steps for defrag, every one of them... except you do not need to use the command line for idle process task execution and you do not need to worry about the prefetch folderThats the way it is... each drive must be completely defragmented using O&O 8 exactly as I laid out.. which is why I posted that in the list about repeating for each drive in the systemI probably would have installed everything, including the OS, FSX on its drive, addons etc.. because as you install addons, some things get changed on the Windows partition... FSX also adds simconnect to the Windows folder so you see, installing all software should really be done first and the defrags are all lastAfter you finish with the FSX drive I would run 1 last COMPLETENAME defrag on the Windows partition just to put the finishing touches on it. And dont forget to REBOOT between every single defrag pass!however, I would not run it on the Vista drive.. not sure of the results in running O&O from WindowsXP on a VISTA boot patition. Just the XP and the FSX drive is all you need to worry about... and dont run any version of O&O from Vista to optimize the FSX drive.. do all that from XP and let VISTA live on its own.AS for install order of addons.. Any issues around that can be resolved by running the interface or configuration tools from each product to assure the configs and textures are landed right.. GEXn for example can be re-run at anytime after UTX is installed, etc, and make sure you do have all the patches for your addons.. UTX USA is 1.20b, etc.. One thing I do wish to caution about... you have a lot of scenery listed. One thing I do is make sure hard drives are at 60% and under and there is at least 40% free space. That can and will play into drive performance as well. Large and massive photoscenery databases can go on their own drive (not partitioned) and called by the scenery database as needed, and you would defrag the SAME if you used yet another drive for that purpose.Just make sure your drives are not jam-packed or partitioned... that will really put a massive choke on system response if they are

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So helpful, as always ... Nick, Okay, what I learned was:1. Its okay just to install FSX and all the software and THEN do ONE round of all the defragmentation steps. That's what I was not sure about. I have no problem with doing all the runs. Good grief, I have invested quite heavily already in terms of change and time... I am glad to do it. I just wanted to know the right "when."2. Its already too late on the Vista Drive. I am not partitioned and when I defragged J drive [where FSX used to be ... on the same drive as Vista] it went ahead and defragged the OS, as well, I assume. I'll let you know how it boots up and performs.3. I absolutely understand to defrag from XP.4. I think you answered my question about UTX and GEXn. To avoid a rerun of GEXn, it makes sense to install UTX first with the updates.5. Thank you for the comment about the massive scenery files. Actually, I thought I was up to 100 gigs for FSX, and it turns out I was including the OS size as well. It looks like I will have about 100 gigs total when finished... a nice "almost full" size according to your suggested parameters. Also I have room to install another drive which makes sense for the scenery in the future.ONE LAST QUESTION:I know how you are supposed to defrag after FSX installation. And again after Acceleration? But would it be alright just to install it all and then do the careful defragging cycles? Or should I do a one pass space drive after FSX/Acelleration? Just wondered your opinion.I don't know how you have time to answer all of this stuff and do your job, as well. It must feel great making such a contribution to the community. Being a pastor, I understand that stuff. Your posts are so good... As you write, you will list various links to other posts of yours on related issues. I wish you could put a sticky post over on the GEX site that would be a master list of the different topics you have addressed and links to each one. Now how's that for making your work load even heavier!! ;^)Thanks again, Nick. You are such good guy.Steve

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Acceleration is a huge installI think you know my answer.. LOLOK, but its like this.1. You only have to do ALL the defrag passes after EVERYTHING is installed... do them all and do it right2. If you install a major add-on like Accel or UTX AFTER the fact and after you have been using the system, run the SPACE, reboot and then the COMPLETENAME defrag.. thats all.the only time you must follow the full path is in the event of a MAJOR install.Anything larger than a few hundred MB's I would run SPACE and Completename.. otherwise for minor addons SPACE alone is finebut remember.. COMPLETENAME is the one that does the job, not SPACEI have 3 monitors running and one is a good size wide screen so I can work and monitor things like forums at the same time

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