Hello all,

I've been away from the sim for well over a year and recently built a new PC for simming and purchased MSFS 2024. I have over 4.000 hours in 2020 mostly PMDG 737 and 777. I run several peripherals including HC Alpha and Bravo, Logitech Rudder Pedals and Logitech Extreme 3dPro Joystick. I am having on helluva time understanding these controller settings and after many hours of experimenting I'm still struggling.

At the moment I'm trying to get the rudder and tiller axis' working in the PMDG 777. I finally got the rudder's to work properly and I want to use the X3D Joystick to operate the tiller as I had done for 2020 (same aircraft) but no matter what I try rather than operating the tiller the joystick wants to overide and interfere with the rudders. I have checked all peripherals in the sim and don't have any conflicts that I can see but it is surely not working. I've also confirmed that Tiller & Rudder function in the FMS options is properly selected so I'm at a loss and looking for some guidance.

 

Thank you,

Dan

 

PS: I'm also using one of the Lorby 777 HC Bravo Templates

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Flypops

40 minutes ago, Flypops said:

for some guidance.

What exactly are you assining? Which Event/Variable??

If you are using AAO's fake AXIS_TILLER_SET event, make sure to consult the manual. AXIS_TILLER_SET is not an SDK event, it has been invented for AAO - it also controls the rudder axis, same as AXIS_RUDDER_SET. It is just there for convenience, nothing more. If you want to use it, you have to assign both AXIS_RUDDER_SET and AXIS_TILLER_SET in your configuration, and then use AAO's tiller events to toggle between the two (actually, when you are not using the toggle, then the aircraft will follow your assigned tiller below 30kn and then switch to the pedals when you go faster than that).

There may be a MSFS native event too, AXIS_STEERING_SET, but that is apparently meant only for helicopters.

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Lorby_SI

50 minutes ago, Flypops said:

I've also confirmed that Tiller & Rudder function in the FMS options is properly selected

Not sure what "properly" means in this context. Any logic applied beyond the MSFS SDK is usually harmful to AAO.

I'm setting the tiller axis using the Assigned Axis drop down. I click on the green + button and a the "Add Axis Assignment" window opens and I select the drop down and scroll down to the bottom where the Tiller is and select. It's not an event but an axis and using the Joystick it is Axis Z.

Properly means that the options in the aircraft are either "rudder only" or "tiller and rudder". Tiller and Rudder is what I have selected in the FMS which should at least in my understanding separate them into two different axis.

56 minutes ago, Flypops said:

I'm setting the tiller axis using the Assigned Axis drop down. I click on the green + button and a the "Add Axis Assignment" window opens and I select the drop down and scroll down to the bottom where the Tiller is and select. It's not an event but an axis and using the Joystick it is Axis Z.

For the MSFS sims, it is recommended to use the axis events, from the second box on that dialog, where it says "Select Event". The most common events are in the very first group of the selection treelist.

This would be a typical configuration for a PDMG plane:

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Lorby_SI

56 minutes ago, Flypops said:

Properly means that the options in the aircraft are either "rudder only" or "tiller and rudder". Tiller and Rudder is what I have selected in the FMS which should at least in my understanding separate them into two different axis.

I have no idea what that does or what it is for, or what that "tiller" axis is supposed to be then. Is there no documnetation from PMDG what you are supposed to assign in this case?

To repeat: the "tiller" in AAO is fake, it doesn't exist in the sim/SDK and PMDG doesn't know of it. It is a fake process to split the single rudder axis in two assignments, one for tiller operation, one for pedals (because the legacy sims didn't have a separate axis for the tiller). If anything you would have to set that option to "rudder only", then assign both AXIS_RUDDER_SET and AXIS_TILLER_SET and either trust the automatic switch or add a button that toggles between the two, using the AAO Event "AAO_TILLER_TOGGLE" (second group from the top in the event selection treelist)

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Lorby_SI

Thank you for your input. I will keep at it but these are problems I never experienced in 2020. 

13 minutes ago, Flypops said:

Thank you for your input. I will keep at it but these are problems I never experienced in 2020. 

Do this:

Leave the fake "Tiller/AXIS_TILLER_SET" alone in AAO. Do not assign anything to it.

1. In the PMDG FMC settings select "TILLER + RUDDER"
2. In AAO, assign the "AXIS_RUDDER_SET" event to your pedals
3. In AAO, assign the "AXIS_STEERING_SET" event to your tiller axis.

Done.

Remember to use Simulator Events (second box) over Axis Variables (first box). Events generally work better in MSFS 20&24-
The most commonly required events are in the very first group, called "!!Flight control axis"

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Lorby_SI

Thank you again. I'm away from the SIM but will try this later today and let you know how it goes.

Best regards,

Dan

So I am finally able to get the two axis to work independently but not through AAO. I can only do it using the in sim bindings using rudder axis for the pedals and nose steering axis for the joystick. Anything attempted in AAO simply puts the rudder pedals in play with both devices. I dunno why but at least it is working. 

Thank you for your efforts however, very much appreciate your responsiveness.

 

8 hours ago, Flypops said:

So I am finally able to get the two axis to work independently but not through AAO. I can only do it using the in sim bindings using rudder axis for the pedals and nose steering axis for the joystick. Anything attempted in AAO simply puts the rudder pedals in play with both devices. I dunno why but at least it is working. 

Thank you for your efforts however, very much appreciate your responsiveness.

 

The AAO assignments that I posted above are working perfectly fine. Only the tiller or the rudders move, but never both.

 

3 hours ago, Lorby_SI said:

The AAO assignments that I posted above are working perfectly fine. Only the tiller or the rudders move, but never both.

 

I have followed your process exactly and nothing I do within AAO will get the tiller to work. Applying "Axis_Steering_Set" only interferes with and overides the rudder pedals. I believe you when you say it is working fine for you but there's something in my setup that is causing a conflict. I will continue to pursue it and maybe I need to uninstall and reinstall the A/C. Again I appreciate your support greatly!