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This is a cross post from the hardware forum for maximum visibility. I sure hope someone can help with thisI had everything flight sim on a separate physical hard drive and I mean everything. I have acquired a new computer system and removed the physical HD from the old and installed it in the new, thinking XP would automatically find it (with it's old volume name d:/flight sim). The operating system is XP Home EditionThe computer BIOS recognizes the HD. You can see it sitting there under Device Manager and the disk management tools show it present, active, no conflicts and ready status but with no drive letter or volume name.My Computer/Explorer however, doesn't see it at all. I've tried un-installing it and re-installing it per the XP instructions but I don't get the 'found new hardware wizard' that it said I would. It reinstalls the HD in the background but doesn't assign a drive letter.It has a single FAT32 partition, installed by the old computer. I've tried taking it back to the old computer and it can't find it either. The same thing applies. The Device manager sees the HD but it's not a drive. It's just sitting there with no volume assigned.What can I do to get this HD recognized?BobL

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I'm not an expert Bob, but the first thing a can think of for you is if you have the jumpers set for a master and slave setup between the two drives, I would guess that you have since its there in the BIOS, is that right?And you are using it on the first IDE connector?What is the drive model?Paul

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Here you go and thank you in advance for the help. The non-c: drive is the one with about 30GB of FS stuff (scenery, aircraft, FS2000, add-ons, keys, etc...THis is supposed to be my backup!!

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Everything is dimmed except "Delete Partition...."And Hi Elrond, hope all is well...BobL

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Hi Bob,Actually, taking a second look at your screenshot, it looks as if the partition is completely empty (Capacity: 71.59GB, Free Space: 71.59GB) and unformatted (doesn't show the filesystem at all such as Fat32 or NTFS). That may indicate that the partition has been corrupted if you say it was full of FS2002 stuff before.When you right-click the partition itself in the lower part of the screen (where its "scored" to show its selected) everything is greyed except Delete Partition? If so, it does seem it is corrupt. If you still have the old system around, put the drive back in there and see if you can access it properly. If not, you have a problem.If the partition is indeed corrupt, all is not lost. As long as nothing has been written to the drive after the corruption, a tool like EasyRecovery should be able to get back all the information on the drive (specially since the OS is able to see the drive itself - if not map it). Situations like these are why I highly recommend XP to my customers. Its reliability is light-years ahead of 9x systems when it comes to situations like these.I'll be here for the next two hours or so, so maybe a chat would be in order... Let me know here if you see this soon...Good luck, http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Hi, Bob. If you had an OS on that HD, your HD was bootable, your new system may not see it, uless you remove the old OS. To prove that your HD is OK, try to set up as as C:, jumpers and all, and then see if the OS is on there. Then you may want to set your new drive as D:/second drive, move your files and try to remove your old OS, from your C: and then reconfigure. Good luck. TV

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Hi TVI've already thought that but in a different light. There was not an OS on that drive but I had the space so I tried to install my old copy of ME. It wouldn't accept it. It kept telling me I needed to complete the instructions in the file HDBLOCK.TXT on the ME CD. Care to guess what file is NOT on my Restoration Disk from Gateway? Based on the name of the file, I suspect it has some type of format or partition function which would be self-destructive. At any rate, I'm still lost.I think I'll try a chat with Elrond if I can.BobL

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Elrond, I'm here also.Just so you know, when I transferred the HD, these are the steps I tookRemoved external power supplyRemoved case coverDisconnected HD Power SupplyDisconnected IDE cableRemoved driveand then, at the new computerOpened caseSet existing HD jumpers for a masterInstalled transferred driveInstalled IDE cableInstalled HD Power supplyBootedEdit: And I have EasyRecovery Lite running right now. Let you know

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Hi Bob,from what you wrote, I assume your harddrive didn

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Sorry about that Bob... Litte emergency here that took me away, but taken care of now. If you're still around, open this url and I'll chat with you:http://www.avsim.com/irc/launch.htmlOnce you type your name and join the channel, type this in the "Say" box and press the "Say" button:/join #ElrondI'll be here for about an hour baring unforseen circumstances... http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Hi Elrond and Bob,If you guys figure this out in the chat, is it possible to let us know the outcome?Thanks,Bruce.

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Hi Bruce,Sure... Although I haven't yet hooked up with Bob yet. It seems pretty cut and dry now though: It looks like Bob tried to install WinMe on the drive from a Gateway supplied disc. This most likely isn't a real WinMe disc, but a system restore disc provided by Gateway that includes WinMe on it. Upon install, it most likely wipped the partition.EasyRecovery should be able to restore all the information still on the drive however.Take care, http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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Bob,Was this drive partitioned with anything other than the FDISK utility? (Disk Manager, et al)On a more grim note - when was the last time that you scanned for viruses? There are some viruses that will physically move the FAT so as to make everything on the drive inaccessible unless the virus is resident in memory.Doug Dawson

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ElrondHi. I'm back. I had EasyRecovery running and I didn't want to chance a conflict so I came out of everything until it finished. I think I got everything back. It looks right,...about 30GB...I'm still doing an inventory. It looks good though. I'm also burning a CD with it all. Learned a valuable lesson about using multiple HD's as back up tho!!!!!Looking over the steps I took (my earlier post) can you see what I did wrong? I didn't try to restore ME until after all this started. It has the appearance that the simple act of removing the HD from it's nest is what caused the partition to crash but I didn't think that was possible.I appreciate the help and once again, thank youBobL

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Thanks Elrond,Interesting- I can recall a Compaq (barf) Restore CD that did this too (different situation to this)- put me off any system that supplies one of these! :)Bruce.

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Hi Bob,I'm glad to hear your data is safe. I was a bit worried that some of it might have been overwritten by the restore you attempted, so its great to hear you got it all.I don't think you did anything wrong, per se, so don't beat yourself up over it in the least. Moving a drive from one machine to another is perfectly safe and fine as long as the computer is unplugged of course :-) (I must do that a thousand times a month some months) so that almost assuredly wasn't the problem. It'd be impossible for me to tell you exactly what happened since I wasn't there, but I get the feeling that the drive connection was somewhat loose or similar, enough for it to be recognized by the BIOS but most likely intermittently. Once you saw a problem, it looks like you tried the Restore disc provided by Gateway to get an OS on there. These discs are usually not real OS discs, but custom made image discs that restore a drive to its identical setup as shipped by these manufactures. That means it wipes the drives and replaces everything with the image on the CD (OS, apps, utilities, etc). Sort of like Norton Ghost if you've ever seen that program, but proprietary to each name brand manufacturer.Its actually good that the Restore disc had problems installing correctly or you might have lost much of the data as the image over wrote the first gig or more of the drive. But it did seem to get far enough to erase the Fat32 table and partition data on the drive before it error'd. While this may make a partition unavailable to Windows, it doesn't erase the actual data that was on the drive - so EasyRecovery (or similar tool) would still be able to retrieve this data even if Windows didn't recognize and mount the partition.The above is an educated guess of course taken from what you've described so far - but it could have been many other situations. Regardless, if you've retrieved the data that you need, thats all that matters. For future reference though, I'd be careful of using manufacturer supplied Restore discs unless you have all of your important data backed up first. And indeed, backing up your data is a very hard lesson we all had to learn at some point unfortunately - usually by loosing important data! Believe me, we've all been there :-( (and those who haven't will at some point, thats a guarantee).Anyways, glad all is ok now.Take care,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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heh.."Interesting- I can recall a Compaq (barf)"My sentiments exactly, Bruce. I usually don't say such things in public, but your stark statement made me smile... :-) And now we have an even bigger HPaq with I'm sure even more proprietary hardware to deal with... Ugh. :-(The only "name-brand" system I ever actually liked was the old Micron's back in their heyday... Truly powerful systems comprised of all standard equipment - just the best picks of everything. Todays Micron's may still be nice (I haven't seen one in a long while), but nothing like the Micron's of ten years ago. Actually, there was this one other beautiful Cube system from some other long lost brand name I can't remember about ten years ago as well. I was Dying to purchase one of those. Never did though unfortunately (it'd probably sell on the collector market in twenty more years for a hundred grand it was so unique). Too bad because it was a beauty of a system with a five foot a side square black cube case that fit dual motherboards and about twenty 5in drives... The same thing today (if available) would probably cost less than four grand if home assembled (and of course much, much more powerful)... My how times change!Anyways... I'm rambling. :-)Take care,http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/elrondlogo.gifhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/flyurl.gif

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My thoughts exactly, Elrond. It's great to hear from you, as usual.Bruce.

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