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Hallo folksAfter simming with the Navajo succesfully, I am trying to fly the Hawker800.There are two things ( and probably more )I can`t figure out. I can`t use the radar/map function and radr/VP function.Turning the switch at the left side-panel has`nt any effect.Even with the switch in the OFF position the radarscreen stays alive. How can I use GPS funtions.Should they be available at the Universal Flight Management System?If yes. how does it work.Is there a special Handbook for the functions above.GreetzLeen de JagerThe Netherlands

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I'm not too sure about this, but I don't think that functionality is modelled. Back in Fly!2K it was not, but you could find a small file that someone made, to fix it.Roy B. :-waveOslo, Norway

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Hi LeenIn the directory "FLY!2/howto" you should find a tutorial for the GPS. It's very detailed. It's also in .pdf format so you need Acrobat Reader. If you don't have Acrobat Reader you can find it on your FLY!2 CD.Be aware that there are some small bugs in the GPS that will make working with the GPS fustrating.As far as I know, the Radar in the Hawker does not work properly.I'm hoping that RIch and the Beta team can fix the GPS and the radar.Take careMike

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Hi Mike , thanks for your reaction.I am familiar with the working of the GPS and I know the GPS handbookin the Howto-map.It is the same PDF-file as in Fly2K.My problem is, to find the GPS ( the screen,knobs and buttons ) in theHawker-cockpit.So my problem is not, how to use GPS,but what`s the way to use GPS in the Hawker.Regards Leen de Jager

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Oh, oops!The hawker does not have a GPS. It does have an FMS on the lower panel. The FMS is not fully functional but I think it functions enough to follow a course like with the GPS. I have no idea how to use the FMS. There is some basic FMS info at http://www.rihiveli-island.com/flyguide/hawker.html in the downloads section.I might have some kind of tutorial on a CD somewhere. I will look for it and if I find it I will let you know here.Take careMike

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Hallo and thanks again MikeYes,this is what I was looking for.It confirms things I already assumed about this plane.The radar does`nt work properly and the FMS has onlya few functions.The info you pointed me to,directs to the same functions I already found.Now I am sure about the fact,that I was looking for things who were`nt there.It is a pitty, this plane has`nt better navigation options.I prefer a more simple aircraft with everything working than a planewith (half) dead instruments.Anyhow the Hawker is a beauty.Met de vriendelijke groeten (with kind regards)Leen de Jagerp.s.Question: I love Fly2 but I can`t let Fly2K go. Am I BISIMUAL , straight or a bigasimmer ????

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I agree with you. It would be perfect just have 1 or 2 planes with everything working correctly then to have 5 planes with bugs and less functionality. I am still very satisfied with FLY!2, the Hawker is my favourite and I still have fun with it even if things don't work.Take careP.S. You are BISIMUAL like me. Soon I will be TRISIMUAL :-lol Mike

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Leen,The FMS will take the flight plan and couple it to the AP for full flight following - did you locate those procedures?

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Hi RandallMike gave me a link to a page where I can find information aboutthe FMS.I did not have time to practice, but in time I`ll manage I think.Thanks & ByeLeen de Jager

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Hi Leen,> I can`t use the radar/map function and radr/VP function. >Turning the switch at the left side-panel has`nt any effect. >Even with the switch in the OFF position the radarscreen >stays alive. if you are familiar with editing EPD and POD-Files, you can use Are Barstads MFD-Fix for Fly!(hawkmfd3.zip) with Fly!2. Adapting the gauge code will be done within 5 minutes. After that you will have a fully functional MFD. If you don't want to edit the files by yourself, drop me an e-mail.kind regardsGerhard

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Hi Gerhard,could you please advice me, to adapt the code. I already got the download, but I have no idea, what to do with it.I know a bit about poding and the file manager that comes with Fly! II, but I really don't know the way to adapt those two donwloaded files within the zip archive. The way described in the read me file didn't work, perhaps that would be the way for Fly! only.I would appreciate any help to get started.Thanx a lotRegards :-wave

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Leen,Here is what I do to get the AP-NAV function in the Hawker (Perrigrine) to track a filed flight plan:-File your plan in the standard Fly Fight Planner screen.-After engine start, look down and turn on the FMS displays. I put the NAV screen on the left and the FPL screen on the right.-Look forward again. On the upper crest of the panel, just left of center, there are two EFIS selector knobs with inner and outer rings. click (or cntrl-click) the OUTER ring of the left knob (should identify itself as BEARING SOURCE) until the code WPT1 appears on the bottom left side of the Navigational Display in front of you.-Move to the other outer ring (COURSE SOURCE) and click it until the code FMS1 appears on the center left of the of the Navigational Display (it will say WPT1 on the pop-up label by the cursor -- ignore this and look at the Nav Display).-Once airborne, clicking the NAV button on the AP should let the Hawker follow your filed plan.Works for me; I hope this helps.

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Hi Gerhard,follow these steps to adapt the MFD code for Fly!II:- extract tri40.pnl to a temporary folder- open tri40.pnl with your favorite editor- search for "MFD"- replace the whole block with Are's code- save tri40.pnl into a subdirectory called "data" in the main fly!II folder- set "searchPodFilesFirst=0" in fly.iniThe MFD works like the one in Fly!, but the gauge bitmap remains unchanged.RegardsGerhard

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Thanks Gerhard and Allan,At this moment I do not have the time to try the things you suggested me to do.( in future I will !!! )I am shopkeeper , selling bikes , and it is spring , so there is not as much time as I should like for my hobby.In time I`ll tell you the results.Thanks again.De hartelijke groeten ( kind regards )Leen de Jager:-beerchug

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Hi Gerhard and Allan.I can hardly beleve it myself.Had a few moments in my coffeebreak.( a fairly long one , because its raining cats and dogs and the shopcan do a moment without me)So I recreated tr140.pnl and saved into DATA.It was`nt as complicated as I expected.And it WORKS !!!!Dankjewel ( Thanks )Leen de Jager:-jumpy

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Hi Gerhard,since we got the same name, it feels like I write to myself ;-)Thank you very much for your advice. In the meantime Leen sent the file already to me and it's working perfectly.Should I see something with map mode? :-hmmmCheers and happy flying (hopefully very soon with the PMDG 757)

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Hallo Gerhard>Should I see something with map mode? YESAproaching an airport you can se airports en beacons on the screen.This means that it is not always , a must , to see something.Weather -radar shows rain ( no clouds an other planes )VP- the distance to the ground.Map- the airports.GreetzLeen de JagerEHRD

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Hi Leen,sorry for not answering your email. Since one week I'm in trouble with our mail server and the firewall.Hopefully it will be done by tomorrow (Friday) and I will get a chance to answer your mail.In the meantime have fun (maybe with the brand new PMDG's 757 ;-))Regards

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Good morning:I have been following this tread with much interest. I too have the same interest and question regarding the Hawker. I have searched the Forum for hawker3.zip as suggested, but had no luck in finding the file. Since Leen forwarded you a copy of the file, would it be too much to ask if you could pass the file on to me by email? My email address is j.henry@rdla.com. In fact, since your Hawker is now working perfectly, I would appriciate anything else that you did to make the Hawker such a pleasure to fly. In my opinion, The Hawker is one fine airplane. Thank you in advance for your help!! If you find that the above request is not possible, I would understand.Have a good day!!Curtis

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Hello, Where can I find this file? hawkmfd3.zip Can anyone send it to me? Thanks! swathdiver@yahoo.com

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Goudemorgen Leen!(That's what time it is here) :-)Where in the world did you get this file? I have searched the standard file library and came up empty, as did others. This appears to be a significant fix. I have a lot of respect for Are's work, and this makes me wonder if his fix for the Hawker (at least the approach for the panel area that was broken) might not be applicable to repairing the radar systems of all of the Fly! II aircraft!? That would be significant!The original Fly!'s radar worked on precipitation, as long as the weather was not created with a metar. Is that also the case with Are's fix?Dankjewel!

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I found it on Avsim as hawkmfd.zip. just use the search engine in the File section. You're right; this may be a major fix. Let me know if you find out before I do.tony

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Thanks Tony. The difference in file names makes me wonder if Are actually sent people a 3rd generation version of this file or whether someone's just misspelled the filename?Anyway, looks like this subject deserves a message to Are.

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Hi all:I have been following this thread with excitement until now. I am very interested in any fixes for the Hawker (Peregrine in Fly2) since it is one of my favorite aircraft for this sim.However the referenced file "Hawkmfd3.zip" dated 10/16/1999, developed by Are was a weather radar related fix for the Hawker in the original Fly! not Fly2. Similar work was done by Virgilio T. de Freitas for the Fly2 Peregrine in file "cockpitpostu1.zip" dated 6/9/2002 and was later incorporated and enhanced in file "AC_default_fix2.zip" dated 11/25/2002 by Roberto Vigetti.Both fixes modify the appropriate data*.pnl and art*.pbm files, hawker0.* for the Fly Hawker and Tri40.* for Fly2 Peregrine.Although I'm not as familar anymore with the original Hawker, I have yet to notice anything on the weather radar screen under "map" mode in the Peregrine. With "nav" mode turned on you get waypoints, navaids, etc. and with "WXA" mode on, you get a similar weather scope to the Pilot and CP navigation displays upon activating the weather radar pushbutton.If I'm missing something here, I would appreciate any comments.Stay healthy and keep flying (BTW - I just turned the five-o, and am sending in my AARP dues but don't tell anyone) ;-) Robert

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