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I present: The DAGO RED, the fastest pylon racer ever

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Hello together,here I present you my "Dago-Red", the legendary pylon racer of the year 2000!!!Exact the right and most respectful racer-model for the just released new "Reno pylon racer challenge" of Steffen. It is in my opinion a very exiting and one of the best challenges of Steffen, so test it out with this model in a few day

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Ansgar,That is one gorgeous bird!! Simply magnificent!!Looking forward to the download and flight,Jim B.

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AWESOME! I love the paint job and the headers comming out the side. So so sweet. This is definatly going to find a place in the hanger. thanks ansgar!Later,Jim

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Yep AWESOME, thats the word to use.Ansgar you realy do hav an artistic flear.glidernut.:-wave

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Hello Ansgar!This new addon will be put in the hangar!Very fine work as always!!Thank you!Lars Peter.

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It's looking great! My only fear is that I won't be able to control it--please check my tongue-in-cheek post below on testing out Steffen's Reno challenge. I have to work on flying faster close to the ground while keeping track of the pylons. I may try to fly the challenge looking out through the left front quarter view. In any event, I'll certainly download it as soon as it becomes available :-)Hans Petter

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Geez, this thing sounds like a beast! 5,000 ponies? damn! power anyone lol! i will be anxiously awaiting this beast!Jim

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Huuuuuiiiiii,a nice "Hello!" to everybody ... it seems to be interesting for you here. Thanks for all your nice compliments above!!!The plane is in the last steps now and I added also the nice "writings" at the nose sides. Sure I

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How about some more pic's Please. p.s. the video is awesome!Thanks,Jim

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Hey does anyone know if the engines in these beastes had Carbs. or if they are fuel injected???Jim

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Hi Jim,OK, as you wish...here are a few fresh and "just made" race impressions of the finished outer bird in it

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Thanks Ansgar! Those look really sweet. I already downloaded the challenge but cant get it to work, so i am going to uninstall the challenge and download all the aircraft Steffen recoomends and see what happens. Thanks,Jimp.s. i have been training for Dago Red in the normal p-51. i topped out at 320 knots yesterday at 3,000 ft.

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Ansgar:This really looks great ! I will download it and give her a whirl. Your talent is greatly appreciated By all .Thank You!CaptRolo

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Hello Captain,Sure you should give her a whirl. You will see that the Dago not only is an optical challenge. She also loves "in her heart" the high speed and big banking angle in that deep height. But she also gives respect to it

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Just for information: the real Dago Red runs a Merlin engine at about 2,400 horsepower or so, 3,600 rpm at 120-130 inches of manifold pressure.Lap speeds for Dago Red run about 470-490 mph on average, and I believe its top speed is about 490 at most.Dan

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In other posts I've stated that the max speed of an aircraft depends more on wing area than on engine power. If you want to fly faster you need smaller wings. The downside is that you also HAVE TO fly faster since the stall speed will be higher. Conversely, if you fit a given aircraft with bigger engines you'll "hit the wall" and spend a lot of fuel going a few knots faster fighting the drag. It's the same with boats--if you quadruple the engine power of a non-planing design most of the extra power will be wasted on making a bigger wake.However, we know that these souped-up racers are for real. They are a basic WWII design with much more powerful engines. A possible problem when you take an aircraft beyond design speed (fuel consumption aside) is the extra strain on the airframe. Put bluntly, the engine may rip the wings off of it. Why doesn't anyone modify the aircraft by reducing the wing area instead? I suppose the answer is that then it wouldn't be a Mustang anymore. I'm just stating that a terrific engine may be the least efficient way to improve speed. But then, brute force is how the Mustang racers do it and I commend Ansgar for providing the model. Let's hope that the real DagoRed doesn't break up one day ;-)Hans Petter

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Hello Hans,if we are at the "theoretical flight part" I also can give some hints, because I talked a lot also to the RC-pilots of F3D-pylons (i.e. Manfred Pic etc.):1. you

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Enough of this idle speculation about how to make the plane faster. Its time to go to the experts, the Indianapolis 500 people, and learn from their experience. Since the Indy 500 cars always turn left, they are designed specifically for this task, and we must apply this to our plane designs to continue beating records. The following points are essential:1) Since we turn left all the time, we need to avoid stall on the inner wing (port). So build it twice the size of the starboard wing.2) Since we need to go fast on the straight yet generate massive g-force on the turn, we need fast deploy flaps with bracers, to increase wing size and thus lift on turn.3) Since our plane flies sideways most of the time, the tail/rudder asssembly needs to be rotated 90 deg to upright (sideways when we are on the ground).4) Since pilot spends most of his time sideways, he will get used to this and for safety should land the plane in this way. Undercarriage must therefore also be rotated 90 deg so that it extends sideways from the plane, using sufficiently long extension to clear the port wing. Pilot can then flip the canopy open and tumble gracefully to the ground. In honour of my friend Jon, I humbly submit this design as the Point Flyer, and look forward to the first designs from the talented experts on this forum.RobD.

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Hello Robert!hmmmmm.....thats are an very exiting and total new theorie!!! :-jumpySo wait a short moment....... rumble, pumble, clacks, rummms, boing, clack... ;-)"Chacka!!! I got it!!"As you know from us talented developers: nearly NOTHING is really impossible for us! And so I tried to build the P51D optimized for speed flying as you requested:1. ground directed mainwing with twice the size than the other one2. double sized super fast flaps for it also3. tail and rudder assembly turned 90 degree to hold the "normal" control for it.4. the gears are rotated also 90 degrees to get it down save to the ground in the sideway direction without any additional turn back.The only compromise I must do is to "twist" a bit the fuselage, because the 90 degree turned rudder assembly doesn

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Ansgar,:-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol :-lolThat makes my P51/Mazda 323 look tame. Are there ladder rungs in the wing or do we supply our own? Might be a horror on uneven taxiways...:-smile12Jon Point*************************(effyouthree@hotmail.com)*************************

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Testfly it? TEST FLY it??????!!!!!! :-eek Umm. Errrrr. Ahh, I'm busy this week.It does look kind of cute though. Congratulations on your new design. Now lets see if MSFS can top that! :-hah (flees from forum in blind panic)RobD (ex-plane designer).

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Ansgar,I've met a couple Reno racers, including Lloyd Hamilton. I did some looking around and asking, and the radials are getting better than 4,500 horsepower and (I stand corrected) the Merlin 1710-7 and -9's just under or around 4,000 horsepower...BUT only for a VERY BRIEF TIME! The Merlins are running well into 130-150 inches of manifold pressure and nitrous oxide to make that number; they cannot sustain that output for more than a couple minutes at a time or temperatures exceed the structural strengths of the almuminum and steel the engines are made of. The original Merlins of WWII were running WEP (War Emergency Power) at 70" and 3,000 rpm...and for a very short time before the engine broke. (I seem to recall four minutes max for the P-51. Maybe it was five.)(Radials are more durable at the higher horsepower levels, because they are generating that horsepower with less MP, around 80-90 inches, and more cubic inches in displacement. Air cooled engines are less efficiently cooled than watercooled engines, hence the bigger, slower turning motors.)Regarding wing span, yes, the shorter wings produce less lift and drag (drag being a function of lift, too). However, interesting to note that since these racers are so stripped down, their wingloading is actually better than the original fighters.Excellent model, Ansgar...keep up the outstanding work!Dan

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Yes by all means, Ansgar has made a beautiful and interesting model of the Dago Red :-) I hope that nobody took my "flight dynamics lesson" to mean that I didn't approve of Ansgar's model. I've downloaded it and flown around testing it and it acts pretty much like the stock Mustang, as long as you don't use all of the available power. It lands like a Mustang and this indicates that the basic specifications haven't been modified. I'm just a bit concerned that we get a "hotter" version of this and that, even of aircraft that are not supposed to be racers.The "caliente factor" seems to be all about fitting the aircraft with more powerful engines while the fuselage and wings stay unmodified.The Mustang case is fine since it represents a fast design that has been modified in real life but I sure don't want to see a "greased lightening" Cessna 172 :-) best regards,Hans Petter

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