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Co-Pilot Has The Plane

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I thought I would try letting the Co-Pilot land the plane. So I was 140 mi from KORD desending to FL290. I handed both the Plane and Comm over to the Co-pilot. My question is since I was using the GPS for navigation and speed and altitude was being handled by the autopilot, do I have to turn off anything to give control to the Co-Pilot? I know that I have to use a vectored approach for the Co-Pilot to follow for landing.Is there anything else I need to do?Thanks in advance to all who reply.bill

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Hi Bill,Whilst RC can control heading, altitude and speed this does mean it is a suitable replacement for a pilot during the landing phase. I suggest you take back control at the very latest when Tower gives you clearance to land. You can of course leave comms to the co-pilot.If you fly an aircraft that has full auto-land capability such as the PMDG737 range or other sophisticated aircraft then by all means leave the landing phase to that a/p but make sure you disengage the RC co-pilot or there will probably be a conflict.The auto options in RC were provided to remove the need for you to stay in front of your PC for long-haul flights. They're not there to replace the pilot for a landing.BTW, you never mentioned how that manding went. Not well I guess :-( Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

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Bill,In addition to Ray's answer, also note that RC's Otto can only take control of aircraft with default autopilot systems. If you're flying aircraft like PMDG, CaptainSim, or any other type that uses a more sofisticated autopilot system (ie FMC, MCP, FD), RC will not control them, even if 'simple' modes are used like HDG SEL, or an altitude change in V/S mode.Subs

Ray and Subs,I am running FSX with the standard Lear. Ray you were right the flight didn't go well. The vectoring seemed to go well up a point. I expected the co-pilot to line me up with the runway. Since I was doing a vectored approach. and then I would take control of the plane. I was waiting for a heading change to line me up that never came. Maybe my expectation was wrong.In order for the co-pilot to fly the plane do I put the auto-pilot in GPS or Nav mode? Or does it matter. With a flight plan loaded of course.Thanks for your replies.Regards.Bill

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Hi Bill,<>That won't happen. The last heading that RC has control over is the 30 degree intercept to the ILS. I suggest that once you're on that heading you engage APR mode which should bring the aircraft down the localiser / glideslope. I'd still recommend you disengage the a/p and land manually as I doubt whether the default models are good enough to perform a full auto-land.<>I'm not sure Bill. I fly using Project Magenta so don't use the default panels. I'm assuming you're talking about the earlier part of your flight. The above recommendation refers to the approach.Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Ray,Yes I planed to land the plane myself. Yes I wa stalking about the earlier part of the flight.Thanks for your input.Regards

"In order for the co-pilot to fly the plane do I put the auto-pilot in GPS or Nav mode?"It needs to be in "NAV" mode, Bill. You also need to have the autopilot "ON" and the "HDG" and "ALT" modes armed. In this condition, Otto will control lateral navigation from waypoint to waypoint and climb or descent in accordance with the RC controller's instructions. You have to control speed and rate of climb/descent."I was waiting for a heading change to line me up that never came. Maybe my expectation was wrong."That's very odd and you're expectations are not wrong. RC will put you on a closing heading for the localiser and when you're cleared for the ILS by the controller, Otto is programmed to arm the "APR" mode on a standard autopilot.Try the flight again with Debug on, Otto flying and the autopilot set as above. If he doesn't arm "APR" at the appropriate time, please send a log to jd - instructions on how to do this are pinned to the top of the forum.Pete

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Hi Pete,Thanks for correcting my comments about the approach. I wasn't aware that RC engaged APR mode. I never use the stock FS aircraft so had to make some assumptions.Cheers,

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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Pete,The flight KLAS to KLAX in the FSX Baron 58 went just as you outlined. I gave the plane to the co-pilot after making contact with departure and he flew the plane to KLAX. He performed a vectored approach to runway 6L. Engaged autopilot approach. Returned the plane back to the pilot after I was lined up for landing. The co-pilot had both the plane and the comm. Otto did everything. I won't be flying all my flights this way but it's nice to know it works.Thank you and Ray very much for this lesson. The more I use RC the more I like it.Good job JD.Regards.Bill

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