Nikdunaev

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  1. Nikdunaev

    Evolution Of The Aviation Law And Jurisdictions

    So the crew was still able to do everything they would do in such case these days even before the Tokyo convention? Was there any kind of document that somehow protected them from accusations of inappropriate usage of force and stuff of that sort? I certainly know that such things exist now but what was it all like back then? Sorry I just did not get it right probably. Those universities may have excellent curricula but I do not study there so how is it going to help me? Sorry again if I do not see something simple. I tried searching the web but probably I am not very good at it and that is what made me ask these questions. Anyway thank you for all your replies!
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    Evolution Of The Aviation Law And Jurisdictions

    Just so was the kind of that immediate required crew response actually the same before the Tokyo convention appeared? Or what would it look like? The document on the link is interesting but again it generally describes the modern state of things. For example it says there that before the seventies most countries did not officially recognize an offense such as an aircraft hijacking. And that again sends us to my original question. Hijackers were prosecuted before that if they were caught. What were the legal grounds for prosecution then?
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    Evolution Of The Aviation Law And Jurisdictions

    Thank you for your reply! I have been thinking about that myself and it seems logical if you look at the normal legal powers of a ship captain to consider an aircraft captain just the same vessel captain if you have no reasons to treat them differently... It is just that I do not know for sure too and the modern web sorely does not seem to consider it a question lots of stuff should be written on. Or at least I can not manage to find it. For me that is a really interesting question
  4. Hello! I did not find much useful information about that so I decided to ask a question. Nowadays there are legal acts and agreements which state what country jurisdiction is applicable to something happened on board of a flying aircraft. Also if you have to react to a crime right on board somehow for example as landing will take some time you have Tokyo convention for this and other things like that. But the Tokyo convention came into force only in nineteen sixty nine and some other things of that sort even later. What was there before that? After all problems similar to the ones we have nowadays always existed and there certainly were lots and lots of passenger flights and passengers worldwide as well as the cases of crimes on the aircraft and dangerous air rage incidents. I guess the involved countries can decide which ones of them will be applying their law to the incident but what is the crew supposed to do when an immediate response is required in flight? It would be very interesting to know Thank you!
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    Well in most countries and also according to some international documents disregarding a lawful instruction of an aircraft commander is a criminal offense. But those things also limit what the captain can or can not demand from passengers and or crew members. And I bet rising the seat back for the guy behind to open his tray table is not on the list of the allowable instructions as well as it is not a safety issue
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    That is a prosecutable criminal offense. What I am talking about shouting or swearing loudly or just making the passenger next to you feel uncomfortable in any other way. And another one question here. Most documents and regulations take sexual assaults extremely seriously. What is the actual difference here between something that can happen in any crowded area anytime where slapping this guy in the face is enough to make him stop and a serious offence that is enough for prosecution?
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    Of course they will divert should someone be a real safety issue for the passengers around or should this person commit a criminal offense that can provide reasons for prosecution. But what about someone who is doing enough to spoil the experience of other passengers but not enough to be a threat for their safety?
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    What do you mean under an actionable offense?
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    And then what do you think of my post?
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    Is this topic at a risk of closure? I believe that guy did actually post that missing message so I will answer him in this post. Regarding the first of my original questions you can always firmly ask such person to calm down and if that does not help you can call the police at least to make this person leave the premises if that is happening on your property. But of course if you are in an airplane you can do no such thing for obvious reasons... And if you keep trying to deescalate or solve the situation it may just create a conflict and have the opposite result as you guess... And regarding the second of the questions of course it is obvious that this person can and will face prosecution no matter if that happened on an airplane or not and of course the pilots will decide to land at a nearest suitable destination but the problem again is that it will take some time anyway. And how to prevent or at least minimize further damage or maybe even injuries during this time? Thank you!
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    I have received a message in my mailbox telling me that there was another new reply in this thread from a user called Vargveum... As far as I can see it is not here now?
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    There is no connection between those topics those are just questions about the aviation things I would like to know. I do not know myself if the next one will be about the flight sim settings or just anything else out there. I personally prefer to sleep most of the time while sitting in an airplane in flight And please guys I am asking those seriously I can make up lots of funny stories or phrases about airplanes myself Thank you!
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    Disruptive passenger problems

    Hello! I have a couple of questions regarding this quite famous problem. What can happen to a passenger who is continuously disrupting the comfort of other passengers around but does not escalate the conflict to the level of a prosecutable criminal offense or something that would be a safety issue so he could not be easily threatened with diverting the aircraft and calling the police and such things? For example this guy is talking very loud or abusing people around or prevents the passenger behind from eating his meal with his seat backrest position and continuously refuses to stop doing such things? What to do with those guys? And what about the opposite situation with a quite aggressive passenger who is fighting or otherwise resisting but is physically too strong for the crew members or other passengers to deal with in such way? For example this guy is aggressive threatening him with police and prosecution does not work as well as attempts deescalate and there is nobody onboard who can force him to calm down until landing? Or should such situation be treated as hijacking? I am a great aviation fan and I always think of many different kinds of situation that could happen in flight and a disruptive passenger of some sort have always been one of my nightmares about this matter if I can call it this way...
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    What if a passenger asks to see the flight papers?

    That is a nice picture!
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    What if a passenger asks to see the flight papers?

    The latest posts start to look more like the real thing at least that is how it looks for me Regarding the previous ones who are those guys mentioned above here supposed to be actually? Did not you think that one has to commit a crime to get to the no fly list or even get arrested?