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I remember one time in IVAO i was checking the flights arround me, and i see one of them go complete out of route in a long flight from Jakarta to Hong Kong. Now i understand what happend to that user... this bug not hapend only in the route from FSIA to OMDB

Thanks for your time and report This bug seems to happend in a random waypoin of airway UR401 I am sure you will get similar results with flight plan manually enter. Time to open a suport ticket Peter, are you using FSX like me? Robert Rodriguez

Ok, i just want to save your time, Thanks. Robert Rodriguez

Thanks. But please, continue after UTRON, the problem is not allways in the same waypoint. Increase the simulator speed if you need. Before someone say nothing, i ALWAYS fly with normal simulation speed. I just increase the simulation speed for test this bug. I know increase the simulator speed may cause problems. But is not the case.

Because i foget to write SUHIL R401 in my last post you may think i set a wrong route in the FMC... NO First, is imposible to enter this route on the FMC: Second, lets imagine i set a wrong route: It can make the plane stop to follow the magenta line and do crazy turns in a random course as you see in the pictures reported in post #30?

Upsss, sorry, i fogget SUHIL, here go again: ROUTY T124 UDLET UR401 SUHIL R401 KURTA N563 ADV M318 MIADA Anyway you can check the route in my post #9

Here go: ROUTY T123 UDLET UR401 KURTA N563 ADV M318 MIADA

Ok! Here the results of the test: First i test with the PFPX rte file. Again the plane go out of the route just after pass AXINA, and start to go from left to right, but that time do not turn 180º continue heading north https://www.dropbox.com/s/vldw12i6hqtcfme/1.png?dl=0 Now the test with flight plan manually entered: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4yn80plg4fimio/2.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tolb3eeuk390mfm/3.png?dl=0 The plane start to turn left to right after UTRON. Then the plane comeback on route by themself, then it go out of route definetivly as you can see in the screenshot. Strange bug, i flew hundrets of hours in the pmdg737 arround the globe in many routes, and this route is the only that causes problems every time y fly it. Time to open a suport ticket? Robert Rodriguez

I am thinking that has nothing to do with the ecuador, and something to do with the navigraph data. I was wrong. I save the route manualy entered, and i compared with the .rte file created with PFPX, for exemple GILID: With PFPX: PMDGFMC5.0 PFPX seems to round the numbers in some waypoints. Another exemple with KURTA: PFPX: PMDGFMC 5.0 I imagine that will be no problem after enter the route manualy, then were i need to go ask for support? PFPX or Navigraph?

I always check the route loaded in the FMC with the RTE page and with the LEGS page before a flight. I go thru every page and check that all match with my printed flight plan, like a virtual/real pilot must do. Like i say in my firt post: I provide the .rte file in my first post of this topic for anyone understand the problem do not have nothing to do with the flight plan loaded on the FMS. But i think no one check that. Here you have again the .rte file, so you can check by your self and not only belive in my words: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zjz13z1k17kahn/FSIAOMDB.rte?dl=0 Please take two minutes to load this file on your FMS and told me if you see something wrong that can make the plane go out the route, because for me everithing is correct. I will re-flew the same plan manually entered tomorrow (my day off). I will report with track file and video here on the forum, and i will open a suport ticket if the problem is not related to Navigraph data. Thanks for your help Robert Rodriguez

I would not do it, i just want to know how pmdg handle the rte files. In FSX you can load a FPL with the last airac, because de program do not compare the data with the FSX default data. As you told, the FMS compare the data. You use the rte file for program the route in the FMS, and the plane fly what is programed in the FMS. If there is any problem in the rte file i expect to see it in the CDU, no directly in the behaviour of the plane (go out of route) because the plane do not fly as the rte file say, fly as the FMS say. Why it can be any change in the behaviour of the airplane if the CDU show the same route with the PFPX file or manual route imput?

Maeby i have not explained well, my english is poor. I want to say: Beter now? do you understand what i mean? For exemple, what would happend if i create a flight plan in PFPX with a very old airac (waypoints that do not exist today), and i load the plan to the pmdg737 with the last airac?

Thanks for your two cents Alberto, I use the last airac from navigraph for both ,PFPX and pmdg737. Every flight i make a new flight plan, with new route (.rte). I do not use routes stored in PFPX (even the program check the routes stored every time you change the airac), and i do not have any route stored in the pmdg folder, because every time i finish the flight i delete the .rte file. This is why i pay a Navigraph subscription. Then according to your information, the problem should be some disagreement between Navigraph PFPX data and PMDG data, even in the same airac. Then why the CDU not show any problem with the route? In case you try to load a wrong flight plan i expect the CDU to tell me something like "error loadind fpl" or something like this. But everything is correct, no discontinuity in the route or something like this. Anyway, i will flight again that route and set the route manually in a few days. Robert Rodriguez

I wil type the route manually, then i will save the route and compare with the PFPX .rte file. If match i will open the support ticket. If do not mach i will fly the route. Robert Rodriguez

OK, i got it, he is talking about the pmdg777. Then we have the same problem in the pmdg737, but because no one report the bug, it was never solved. Thank you Brian for that info. I was right from the begining, it is a but related with the ecuador. Anyone from developer team can confirm this bug on the pmdg737? Robert Rodriguez

Brian, in this case the roure is oblique to ecuator (001º), but you experience the same problem then! What is RTM version of the 777? I will check to set the route manualy in my next flight, but i think no way to be problem with the route file, the plane just flight the UR401 north, do not even change the airway in that part of the route.

Peter, i load the .rte file on the FMC and the CDU legs page show all correct, all match with the flight plan in PFPX. I need to try this flight plan again for be sure what happened and record the problem. First time it happend i go back to my simpit where the 737 supose to be near Dubai, but i find the plane near Seichelles again after 4hous of flight... The track showed that the plane turn oposite direction with no more than 10º bank angle. but the plane do not go straight, it goes from left to right with a turns no more than 10º. The track show like a saw blade. The second time it happened in front of me, it did the same, but this time i correct with the CDU (i just re-select the next waypoint in the legs page of the CDU), and the plane go back on track, but after pass the next waypoint again. I cross the ecuador a few times with the pmdg737 and i never had problems, but i think it might be related.

Kile, there is no leg more than 200nm in all the route as you can see in the .rte file. The leg where the problem occurs is 62nm. I will again FSIA-OMDB my next day off, i will make a video and provide a track (free of virus) of the problem, so you can see what happened.I will fly the same route, that is created with PFPX and the last airac from Navigraph. Someone can tell me if the route is OK? Here the "file" , just paste on a text document, then change the file extension and you will get a .rte file

Do you expect Dropbox to open a .rte file? Who is Adam? Maeby my pmdg737 get a virus from dropbox... it can be the problem do you think?

Hi Paul, The distance was 62nm The maximum distance between waypoints in this roure is 193nm from ROUTY to UDLET, but this was just after departure (ROUT1A). You can find the flight plan (.rte) in my first post if you need.

It is the second time it happens. It was flying from FSIA to OMDB. More than halfway (after passing AMPEX if I remember correctly) the plane turned gently and started heading in the opposite direction making gentle turns to one side and another. This happend after more that two ours of cruise with autopilot (vnav/lnav) and without touch anithing from the cockpit. The route was OK and there is no reason for the airplane turn out the route After i notice the problem i set the next waypoint in the legs page on the CDU, then the plane go back to the correct way, but after pass the next waipoint, the plane did it again. So i just make the plane fly direct to a waypoint that is arround 100nm following the route, no problems any more. The route is created with PFPX, and the CDU show everithing correct. What can be the problem? Can have something to do with ETOPS operations? Meaby some problem wuth the PMDG737 after pas de ecuador from south to north? No idea, but i fly a lot of hours with the pmdg737 and i do not understand why hapen this think in the route FSIA-OMDB RTE file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zjz13z1k17kahn/FSIAOMDB.rte?dl=0 Thanks Robert Rodriguez

Is already compatible with MCE? I have two sound cards, it is posible to select were the PF3 audio goes? i do not find nothing in the manual.

I do not accept a generated fpl with incorrect SID and STAR. I create my fpl with pfpx and they are validated with correct SID/STAR. You need to set every SID/STAR for every airport you fly. With voxatc you can be always up to date, easy, and fast. PF3 have many options and ways to set. But in my opinion to much in some cases. PF3 must run smooth for sure, because all is set by user. Voxatc have many bugs because all is automatic, and any problem in afcaf files or airac may cause problems in the program. I hope all will be solved in voxatc 7.

Voxatc is the best ATC addon. I hate that the best atc addon have the worst support, but is like this. The difference between voxatc and the others is that it can manage the last airac and give you the SID/STAR in real time with the weather. Thats the point for me. But this not work always, have bugs. Wrong SID/STAR, wrong approach, fatal errors, ecc... I hope the new v7 will solve all the bugs. my last hope.

I have the same problem sometimes in FSX. voxatc have a lot of bugs, i hope they repaired in v7