Jim, thanks for the reply. A couple of days ago I purchased a used FS2004 on ebay, have not received it yet. Don't know how this all works but hope I can find someone to walk me through it. I also purchased the joy stick and etc. to hook it all up, it should all be here in the next few days. A friend and I are each considering purchasing Kolb Ultralights and was told that the Kolb flight simulator is a lot like flying the real thing and would help us to get up to speed on the real thing. The FS2004 will be the first flight simulator I have tried so as of right now I don't know anything. Is there anyone out here who likes to help newbies like me/us get started??? Any help or advise would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike