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Just to update and reiterate... SUPER important to TV users.. some TV's PC mode will NOT properly display HDR.. Just to follow up on this.. I can't speak for all TV's but can tell you my experience with a 2017 samung Q70 (qled)... as mentioned, I found the samsung source must NOT be selected to "PC", it MUST be selected to any other model.. game,cable etc.. you can tell when samsung is in "PC" mode because all video settings are greyed out except brighness,backlight.. "PC" mode puts the samsung in pure RGB mode and this mode wil NOT (repeat will NOT) properly map out the HDR signal luminostiry and color gamut REGARDLESS of what Nvidia setting you have, 4:2:2, 1080P, etc.. I have verified this.. You can test this for yourself.. Look at the HDR test video at 24 second mark.. if Hdr is working properly, you should be able to distinctly see different shades of color in the center of the bright hot glass.. (note, you may need to st.2084 gamma down in the samsung expert settings) The problem is, if PC mode.. you may "think" you are seeing HDR but you are not.. it is dropping out the luminosity mapping and also isn't displaying the full rec2020 color gamut. This is important for FS 2020.. you may think you are seeing HDR, the vid card may say it, the TV may say it.. but it is not, and you are not seeing the full beauty of the HDR in the clouds and the stunning colors.

Yes, the TV interpolates. TV frame rate Interpolation is a thing that has been around for years but I found to be unusable for Video as it adds input lag and artifacts in fast panning. However, MS FS 2020 being a flight sim is the exception because there is no fast panning or super fast input (twitch FPS shooter speed level). So you wind up with a super smooth 120 hz (upscaled) fast responding visual.

Not sure if others have been trying this.. but one thing I found fun is to recreate recorded real landings by capturing the same landing in MSFS2020. And show side by side video playback. I was amazed at the detail and similarities. Here are a couple below.. anyone else try this?

There are some Caveats and Challenges to getting HDR to be properly displayed. Every link in the HDR chain has to be functional. I have a lot of experience with past headaches to reach True HDR Nirvana. Some things to know... -- If you have an HDR capable display hooked up but Windows 10 HDR setting is grayed out.... Make sure you TV has a 4K-HDR certified HDMI cable. Older cables may not support the bandwidth needed. Connect the HDMI/Display port Directly from the GPU to the TV. If you have a AV switcher in the middle, good chance that it won't fully support HDR. Make sure your TV (if it has the setting) has the input set to DEEP COLOR, or HDMI UHD COLOR selected to ON. Make sure you "input type" if it has selections like, PC,Cable,DVD etc... is NOT set to PC. -- There is a difference between "HDR compatible, and HDR compliant".... Most "HDR" monitors can read an HDR signal, but most of them are not actual HDR display compliant. They can read the signal but they don't have the actual contrast, color gamut, and Luminosity (brightness) capability to properly display HDR visually. Playing HDR on a non HDR certified monitor will look washed out. This is mostly true of HDR monitors but can also apply to some "HDR" Tvs. There are different levels of HDR vesa specification/Requirements. There are specs for for HDR400,500 but in my experience, you really need to aim for a compliant DisplayHDR1000 to truly get the benefit visually of HDR, that is to really visually get the extended color gamut, wide luminosity dynamic range... aim for HDR1000 compliant device. https://displayhdr.org/#tab-1000 Does proper HDR make a difference in MSFS2020? 0- yes.. HUGE difference. The wider color gamut, contrast, dynamic brightness range, and Tonal fidelity is VERY significant improvement over non HDR. (HDR OFF) in MSFS2020. Once you see a proper HDR in MSFS2020, there is no mistaking it.. it's dramatic better in every way. The frustrating part is for me,.. there is no real way to show you the difference, you need an HDR device to see it first hand.. Yea, people do photoshop jobs or take pics on/off to simulate the difference but that doesn't really show you or do it justice viewing on a non HDR device.

Mine is the 2018 "Qled" tv. qn65q7fn... https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-QN65Q7F-Flat-QLED-Smart/dp/B079YVWRZQ

That is interesting, other Samsung models don't properly display HDR in PC mode, they will "read it" but not display it proper. Have you tried changing your TV input source to something else? If not please do - Please try connecting an HDMI cable directly your from your GPU to TV, make sure TV has " HDMI Deep Color." enable , and set your TV Source input to "Cable TV", and finally making sure Windows HDR is on... Please try all that (if you haven't) and let me know. My TV "will" work in PC mode and HDR turned on... BUT, PC mode on Samsungs remap the color gamut and luminosity to standard SRGB. The reason for this is because "PC" mode on modern Samsungs puts the interface into a TRUE RGB 8 bit mode with full 4:4:4 Chroma (meaning no color compression). However HDR works at 10 bit but at 4:2:2 Chroma subsampling (color compression). That is the trade off to be able to get enough bandwidth over HDMI2 . There is no enough bandwidth on HDMI 2 to get 4K,HDR(10bit), AND 4:4:4 chroma sub-sampling..... so to achieve HDR, TV's use 4:2:2 chroma subsampling.

Yes, it's important to have a fully capable HDR processing to end hardware setup to actually get HDR. 1- On Samsung TV's, (at least on older ones) you must NOT have the input type set to "PC". PC input type will NOT translate an HDR signal. So input must be set to any other type, Cable, DVR, etc. 2- Windows 10 Must be have HDR turned on. If you don't have a HDR capable display, this will be greyed out.

Although I am unable to visual show you, I can testify that MS FS 2020 with HDR on a capable HDR TV is VERY well done and provides a dramatic visual improvement over standard Non HDR. HDR has several built in advantages over the standard 8bit SRGB color space.The difference is not only wider dynamic range of lights-darks, but an overall boost in contrast, color gamut, and color-tonal Fidelity (more color shades). I can vouch the HDR difference is day/night and vastly better with HDR in MSFS2020 vs without. The instruments are easier to read, landscape looks much more alive, the subtle shades within clouds is much more visible. The vibrancy of a sunrise/sunset on clouds is stunning. Once you see MS FS 2020 done properly in HDR, you will never want to go back. I am observing this on an 2018 samsung Q7. Turning HDR on and off and observing the differences. Stunning is an understatement. I think MSFS2020 is one of the best implementations and reasons on WHY HDR (done right) can make a huge leap in visual and immersion. HDR is 10bit vs SRGB8bit means 1024 shades per primary color vs 256 shades... Four times more shades (tonal fidelity)! This can be appreciated in FS2020 with cloud structures where you can see many more subtle tones. It's not just being able to discern the subtle wisps of clouds, it's also the dramatic increase in color gamut that really brings life and awe to sunsets and colors. I can also vouch that MS FS 20202 is doing TRUE HDR and not just SRGB artificially remapped to the HDR color-space (which some games do). You are getting a true HDR color gamut and luminosity that makes the game so much more immersive and realistic looking.

The delay from what I have seen is a non issue in MSFS 2020. The delays normally caused by Vsynch can be greatly minimized by using the Nvidia "Fast Sync" option. The delay caused by video processing Upscale frame interpolation will depend on the TV model, but it was not enough to cause any noticeable yoke input control delay on My samsung Q7 tv.

I hope this helps. Made a quick video showing the look of locking MSFS2020 to 30fps and using a tv to upsample it to 120fps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HJq2J37eI

I am running a 2017 Q7 Samsung 4k "Qled" hdr TV.... There should be a setting in Input type in your TV settings, you will probably have to set that to something OTHER than PC. The "PC" input type does not work with HDR. Hope that helps.

I am Running - I9-9900K, 2800TI, 4K HDR Tv, Ultra settings.. At first, running with Vsynch off, I found out the huge frame rate changes (going from 30 to 55fps) was causing huge stutters, hickups and pauses.. I then set Vsynch to ON, and FPS lock to 30. I then set my TV to motion smoothing on .. (all modern TV's have this feature).. This takes the 30fps and interpolates it at 120fps. The result is stunning, I now see hyper smooth constant motion that never jerks, dips,pauses. At 120Fps motion upscaling, the motion is hyper-realistic and I can see the tiny fast moving bounces from Eddy currents/turbulence. I

I have a I9-9900K,2080TI,32GBram,4K HDR TV.. I was getting 35-50fps on ultra Vsych off, but the huge FPS changes causes bad suttering. So, I set the Vsynch on with 30FPS frame limit. I then turned on my TV's motion smoothing (interpolates 30 to 120fps).. and WOW! it's now running at rock solid 30 to 120fs and no more hickups.. The motion is so hyper smooth I can now see tiny fast changing motion from small turbulence and eddys. If you have a TV... give this a try. It's mind blowing.

Just got FS2020 running. I am running an I9-9900K/2080TI on a 65" Samsung q7 (hdr tv). Out of the box, I set everything to 4K,Ultra, and HDR. Vsynch off. and tried a few landing challenges. Seeing this on a modern HDR 4K TV is photo-real. I was getting FPS ranging from 35 to 50. However I noticed massive FRAME pacing stutter.. where frame to frame could change so drastically it would make it look jerky. It would be smooth for a few seconds, hit a drop in FPS and that drop would cause a jarring stutter. So, I set FS 2020 graphics to Vsynch on, and 30 FPS limit. I then turned on my Samsung TV (motion smoothing) which interpolates 30fps to 120fps. and BEHOLD- now running a constant 30FPS that interpolates to 120FPS with no more jerkiness or drops. I now see 120FPS looking hyper smooth flights. The TV does an amazing job of interpolating the motion and keeping everything sharp so it REALLY does look like a native 120hz even though it's being updated by FS at 30hz. If you connect your HDR 4k TV to MS FS.. and do this trick.. even if you have to bump down the graphics settings, the advantage of getting a 120hz with no glitching/hickups is absoutely mindblowing ultra real and will take you to the next level- true REAL TIME looking motion. I have flown in a small Cessna (centurion) many times and I noticed at this 120hz TV setting, the tiny micro motions from turbulence you see in real life get very accurately portrayed in MSFS2020. Once you see this game at ultra being interpolated up to 120hz (with no stutters whatsoever) you can't unsee it you will be so amazed. If you have ever flown small prop planes in real-life, you know the one thing Flight sims have been missing is being able to portray the small fast changing motion of those fast small eddys that bounce you around. Seeing these small motions now.. and at 4k-ultra is true next level looking. Worth a try if you can.

Hello, I am looking to get back into flightsimming and eagerly awaiting MSFS2020 with my honeycomb alpha yoke. It's been a decade since I last flew sims. Does anyone know (for MSFS 2020) if there is any built-in ability or 3rd party plugin that can judge landings/takeoffs and give an actual score with quantified measurements? For example how well you followed the glide slope, alignment, landing impact etc. Something like a 3-axis G-force read back would be a great way to do this. This would IMO add a real depth to the game.