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Hi, Has any PRO-ATC/X user ever added ILS to a runway using ADE (my version is 1.6 but I'm sure that doesn't matter)? I have which all works fine other than one strange problem. The PRO-ATC/X moving map shows the green direction arrow of the new ILS always at 360° despite the actual runway heading. The FSX default map shows the new ILS green arrow pointing in the correct direction (runway heading) but I've tried everything to find out where the PRO-ATC/X moving map gets that information from so I finally decided to email Mourad and I did get a prompt response but sadly he doesn't know either. So, if anyone's had this problem and knows the answer I'd be truly grateful. Regards Steve

Hey Guys, I love the Boeing aircrafts by pmdg and captain sim to some extend. I think its time to move to the airbus to learn the systems !!!! ( pun Intended ). my queries are: Should i buy the airbus x or wait for the airbus extended ? or wait for the FSlabs version ? I look for in depth system simulations, so which is more simulated ? aerosoft or FSlabs . I ask this because i plan to do a lot of failures and ab normal checklist which go with it. Is Fslabs planing to do all the airbus aircrafts because their website shows A3XX which generally means all the airbus. With the development time i see that will be another 5 yrs ... :huh: I love to see a good ATC as well. i went ahead and bought the ProATC, which to my surprise isn't a finished product. Don't get me wrong it does work well, but most of the time its just frustrating. I paid close to 70 $ for it, thats PMDG and FSLABS money category. Its got Navdata updates this month after close to 5 months of releasing it. I hope it improves a lot. but i am willing to jump ship to better ATC all round. too many crashes on this one, you do flight for 2 hrs and it crashes it ain't good. :angry: Basically is there any new ATC ? Please advise Avid Pilot Mathew

I have been asked by some others to start up a new thread regarding ProATC-X to try to bring everyone up-to-date. The latest update is 1043 and the next update is expected to be released soon. Back in June, Al Chock, here at AVSIM, did an excellent short and sweet review of this product and that thread went into 26 pages and 647 posts - http://forum.avsim.net/topic/376905-a-quick-fly-by-of-pro-atc/ . It became difficult to follow for some as no one really has the time to read 647 posts. I have heard that the next release will contain new runway data as the current data in ProATC is out-of-date. I think this will be the major update everyone is really looking forward to getting. I hope so! I had a lot of problems with the bad runway data as ProATC directed me to non-existent runways at KORD. I was able to fix that by going into the database and making sure that runway was not used for takeoff or landings. I think the database and the ability to make edits is one of the best features of ProATC (the best IMHO being the ability to have background ATC during your flight). It would also send me to an existing runway and tell me to hold short and contact ATC but, when I got to that runway and contacted ATC, ATC would tell me to go to the runway and contact them. I heard this is a problem with the AIRAC and runway data which they promise to fix. Right now I think the biggest problem is getting the top of descent to work better. This was a major complaint in the previous threat and it was supposedly fixed in the last update (1043) but it doesn’t work all the time for me. For instance, from Chicago to St Louis I was flying the SID and almost got to my assigned altitude but was told by ATC to descend before getting to the first waypoint after the SID and about 240NM from St Louis! By the time I got to the first waypoint, I was down to FL 4600 and had to fly that all the way to St Louis. It was acting like the first waypoint was the destination. I had to fly the rest of the way at 4600 feet no faster than 250 NM (that’s no fun! If it happens, trust me, end the flight and start again). Flying from LAX to San Francisco, there is no problem whatsoever. So, for me, it’s sort of hit or miss. I did have one successful flight at assigned altitude from Chicago to St Louis but ATC stopped responding at the last waypoint of the Clearance Flight Plan. I never received an Approach Flight Plan. I tried to send in my logs but they are trying to complete the updates and most of the information I have seen on their site is that this problem will be fixed in the next update. The program has come a long way since June when it was first released with a lot of updates. The fact that it is compatible for the most part with PMDG’s 737NGX is one great accomplishment (IMHO again). The implementation of the ProATC.log that you can send them if you have an issue was a great update too as the developers can see exactly what caused the problem and fix it or tell you what you did wrong. I think it will eventually become a great program to replace the default ATC, hopefully after this next update. Just interested in some of the thoughts from some others who are using the program. If someone wants to do another quick review of the program here showing the latest features and fixes, they are most welcomed. I’m pretty busy to do it myself right now. If you have any questions, I will try to answer them though. Best regards, Jim