Had a few patterns and 2 flights to test the 737NG.First - it is amazing to see the gap between perfect simulated details and other items totally messed up.Examples of impressing details: Bank angle and slip indicator w/warning. Command bars out of view prior to T/O. Pitch command change at 60knots. Alpha floor ann. in MCP speed window......Items to be corrected ASAP:Pitch sensitivity - you should able to disconnect A/P on final (in calm weather) and ship should be rock steady, only thrust adjustment for vertical speed.Aural warnings and GPWS - PMDG better start from scratch here. T/O warning OK with engines shut down, with engines running not - Park brake T/O warning?. "Too low flap -too low gear" and GPWS inibit on approach - just to mention a few.Battery drain with engines shut down........Things I like to see ASAP:optimum and max altitude. In Fs2004 you may ask for alt change. Been waiting 3 years for using step climb correctly.Selecting another waypoint (missed appr.) after last RWY wpt.RA reading should be in a black "box" (background)......Minor quirks and missing details ( a small selection):Speed and alt. intervention, funny to see the knobs blanked off.Marker Beacon announcementSpeedbrake arm and extended lights.Correct CDS compact engine display.Sound of trim wheel... And finally ... millions of hard to discover "Ian Riddell" bits and pieces.By the way: Who connected the Ram door Full Open light to bleed press? May this PMDG guy step forward please... eker(think we all will have a nice aircraft in the future.)

Nice post Eker,Speed and alt. intervention, funny to see the knobs blanked off This is a *option* on the real NG not standard although I agree with you it would be a nice addition.Speedbrake arm and extended lights Speedbrake *arm* light is working[/] [h5]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [h4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon [h5]AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h5]

"This is a *option* on the real NG not standard although I agree with you it would be a nice addition."A nice little cheat sheet would be in order here that explains what *options* are in and out. This exact same thing baffled me until Anthony explained that it is a 737 option that is standard in the 747/767/777 ... Just really to cut down on the confusion of jumping between the various other sims currently out there and the new 737.I know there is probably about 20,000 Boeing options, but there can't be more then 20 really obvious ones that apply to important stuff like the PFD/ND/MCP/FMC that would ease us cross flyers :-hahIt would also be nice (obviously not if you haven't decided yet) to list the options added to each addon (ie: 800/900, BBJ, etc)Ray

Hi,It would be helpfull if you mentioned in which version of FS you made your test flights.Why do I say that? Because there are serious rumors that MS messed up the flight dynamics of FS2004. See the appropriate threads in the main MSFS forum here in AVSIM for more details.>Items to be corrected ASAP:>Pitch sensitivity - you should able to disconnect A/P on final>(in calm weather) and ship should be rock steady, only thrust>adjustment for vertical speed.This is something that's being investigated by the PMDG programmers. As I said, rumors say that the FS2004 dynamics are messed. Personally I find ALL FS2004 aircraft way too sensitive to pitch. Trim seems also way too sensitive.I couldn't even land the default Cessna 172 smoothly in FS2004! So, for a test I backed up the aircraft.cfg and .air file and overwrote them with the defaults from FS2002. The differerce was impressive. The C172 handling came back to the nice smooth aircraft I used to know and love in FS2002.So, this may not be a problem of the PMDG dynamics but FS2004.And I would like to point again, that the flight dynamics are being investigated by PMDG for FS2004.>Aural warnings and GPWS - PMDG better start from scratch here.>T/O warning OK with engines shut down, with engines running>not - Park brake T/O warning?. "Too low flap -too low gear">and GPWS inibit on approach - just to mention a few.Could you elaborate on this a bit? As far as I know the GPWS is programmed close to the real thing. What warnings do you get and under which situations ?>Battery drain with engines shut down.>.......Not a problem of PMDG 737.Set FSUIPC to keep the battery life. If you haven't registered FSUIPC, though luck! Join the rest of us who do not wish to pay so much money for so few enhancements. (Irrelevant to the PMDG, but I had to take it off my chest :-) )>>Things I like to see ASAP:>optimum and max altitude. In Fs2004 you may ask for alt>change. Been waiting 3 years for using step climb correctly.It's comming... Don't know when, but we have locked Anthony in a dark room with just a small window to be able to feed him. He won't get out of there until he finishes it. :-) :-)>By the way: Who connected the Ram door Full Open light to>bleed press? May this PMDG guy step forward please... The RAM Doors full open lights DO illuminate in the real a/c while on the ground if you have both both packs on. The lights are programmed correctly.George DorkofikisAthens, Greece

>>>>Battery drain with engines shut down.>>.......>>Not a problem of PMDG 737.>Set FSUIPC to keep the battery life. If you haven't>registered FSUIPC, though luck! Join the rest of us who do>not wish to pay so much money for so few enhancements.>(Irrelevant to the PMDG, but I had to take it off my chest :-)>)>I had a (small) discussion on this topic with the author of fsuipc - Pete dowson - The guy states that the battery drain problem actually can be fixed by the PMDG team as they have licensed their copy for fsuipc. Also it should be functioning when the APU/ground power is connected. I think it can be fixed in an pmdg update, maybe PMDG can comment on this ?Oh the topic can be read on http://www.forums.simflight.com/viewtopic.php?t=10411

Speedbrake armed light working? Do not blame me for not figuring it out. You have not simulated light test - but I will replace bulbs for troubleshooting.Comments on options:Major options maybe list up - but a forum like this is perfect to sort options out.>It would be helpfull if you mentioned in which version of FS>you made your test flights.737Ng does not work with fs2002. Resting on HD for a month, waiting for fs2004. Reason for this delayed testflight.>This is something that's being investigated by the PMDG>programmers. As I said, rumors say that the FS2004 dynamics>are messed. Personally I find ALL FS2004 aircraft way>too sensitive to pitch. >And I would like to point again, that the flight dynamics are>being investigated by PMDG for FS2004.Just pushing you a bit. Other payware (767 and Piper Dakota) did solve stable pitch in fs2002. Your turn to break new ground in fs2004 :-)>>Aural warnings and GPWS - PMDG better start from scratch>here.>Could you elaborate on this a bit? As far as I know the GPWS>is programmed close to the real thing. What warnings do you>get and under which situations ? Try to recall...1. Landing set up with correct config. "Terrain" warning. Should be inibited.2. Land (almost) with flap 40 and gear up. No "too low gear" warning. No gear warning (horn/red lights) throttle idle.3. Land (almost) flap up and gear down No "too low flap" warning. No gear warning (horn/red lights) throttle idle.4. T/O warning - parkbrake set. Works OK with engines shut down. No warning with engines running.>>>Battery drain with engines shut down.>>.......>>Not a problem of PMDG 737.>Set FSUIPC to keep the battery life. I know that pain and solution - but I thought you simulated APU as a "third engine" with bleed and elec supply. >>Things I like to see ASAP:>>optimum and max altitude. In Fs2004 you may ask for alt>>change. Been waiting 3 years for using step climb correctly.>>It's comming... Don't know when, but we have locked Anthony in>a dark room with just a small window to be able to feed him. >He won't get out of there until he finishes it. :-) :-)Good!! Slide a pizza under the door as a gift from me when he is finished.>The RAM Doors full open lights DO illuminate in the real a/c>while on the ground if you have both both packs on. The>lights are programmed correctly.Disagree.. Ram door full open on ground - ALWAYS -. Ram door controller disabled and actuator powered through K23 for full open.The same with flap not up - (but powered through K24 relay)In air and flap up the Ram door controller takes command and MAY drive the actuator to full open and RDFO light through S3 switch (located in actuator).As mentioned in another thread:On ground = RDFO lightFlap not up = RDFO light.eker.

Hi allThis is a thread worth all reading!! Sort of constructive critisism as I like it. So I

You cannot hear the flaps motor whatsoever from the cockpit just like the real deal. [h5]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smith [h4]P M D G 7 3 7 NG[/h4]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/mineimage.jpg [h3] Realism on the horizon [h5]AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h5]

Hi Berlin!737NG shuts down to desktop with fs2002 - on MY PC.V1 and rotate speeds very close. Could be caused by light aircraft and full rate T/O. I am not a pilot - but we can try with high takeoff weight. The split between V1 and rotate should increase significantly.eker.

"The lights are programmed correctly."Sounds like you missed the forum thread on this, George? One of your colleagues has agreed to look into it as I recall.I concur with Eker (with some reservations....see later). For the Left Ram Door Full Open light.... (see following simplified schematic)http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/...orOpenLight.GIFThe Left Air Ground Relay (K24) and Left Ram Mod Control Relay (K23) are energized via a ground from the PSEU(when the aircraft is on the ground), allowing power to go from the Air Cond Ram Air Mod Left 115Vac Xfr Bus 1 Section 2 Circuit Breaker to the S1 switch in the Left Ram Air (Door) Actuator. If the actuator is not open, the S1 switch will allow power to the Retract coil of the actuator motor. This will drive the actuator to the Open position. At full open, the switch S1 will open, shutting down the motor. An additional contact in another of the Ram Air Door actuator switches, S3, provides an earth/ground to illuminate the Fan Door Full Open light in this position. My reservations??? Only a few days ago, we found an incorrect simplified schematic in the Boeing Maintenance Manual. There may be a small chance that this is, too.Anyway, next time I'm on an NG, I'll try to get you a picture of this config.Cheers.Ian.P.S. This circuit diagram will destruct in 24 hours probably due to copyright infringement.P.P.S. Re EGPWS.... One of the aural warnings in your sim is unique to the "Enhanced" GPWS system (GPWS with the TERRAIN mapping feature on the Navigation Display). The TERR pushbutton on the EFIS control panel doesn't appear to be operative in PMDG... I was just wondering why I can hear the aural for it... with some regularity, despite no visible terrain conflict within the prescribed EGPWS warning time period? It may have improved somewhat with SU1, but I haven't had much of an opportunity to test the sim post-SU1. BTW, have all the regular GPWS warnings been mapped according to the charts in the maintenance manual?... E.g.http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737/GPWS4b.GIF

Ian,Thanks for the drawings and info.Let me get one thing straight. I am NOT working for PMDG nor I am one of the programmers. Does one have to be a member of PMDG to reply?I love the info you share, but this is all too technical for me. I replied (I wish I never did, and by God I will never do it again), based on the information I had from an old CBT.Thank you for correcting.George Dorkofikis

"Let me get one thing straight. I am NOT working for PMDG nor I am one of the programmers."Ooops...... Must have been your authoritative tone, George... ;-) Sounded very official (but with that PMDG niceness). :-) "I love the info you share, but this is all too technical for me. I replied (I wish I never did, and by God I will never do it again), based on the information I had from an old CBT."I haven't officially corrected you, George... Diagrams can be wrong. From now on, I'm going to wait to see it with my own eyes, write it down (so I don't forget it) and then comment on it ;-) By the way, reading wiring diagrams is like reading road maps... The hardest part is knowing how to fold it up afterwards ;-)Cheers.Ian.P.S. For the uninitiated... the straight lines are wires, the curly bits are relay coils, the "M" stands for motor and the arrows with lines in front of them are diodes (one way only for dc current).. and if you can tell me how the Ram Air Actuator goes from the flight position to the fully open position on touchdown, using this particular diagram, then you're a better engineer than I'll ever be!

Hi Ian,Thanks for the SSM. Makes a lot more sense when you can see the prints. Will give the info to Robert to look at.RegardsPaul Gollnick :-coolTechnical Operations/Customer Operational SupportPrecision Manuals Development Groupwww.precisionmanuals.comp.s. Yes, I did figure out how the Ram Door opens on touch down based on the schematic. :-) 115VAC C/B thru K23 thru K24 (both in Grd position due to PSEU Ground) into Actuator thru S1 actuator position switch (unless already in open position) to Open coil. While it was fun to find the answer, I doubt that qualifies me as better tech than anyone. :-)

George.I am quite sure that you mixed RDFO with Dual Bleed. Dual bleed works as it should - according to packs and isol valve. :-)Ian.It is the Maint Man. schematic you cut and paste. Many (millions of engineers) find something wrong with this schematic.. BUT..If you adjust your eyeballs and see that the spindle for switch activating cams is right threaded and actuator is links? Meaning that cam is moving opposite of actuator. Now the switch open/close make sense?By the way - I checked System Schematic for more details. There is a contact set in pack relay in the system, connecting another contact set in ram control relay - controlling power to either pin 26 or pin 36. These pins are "loose ends" - not connected in my costumized manual (for ya311,ya541-590) meaning that must a kind of option here. Have no clue what kind of option - but I am sure that it can not control Ram door position.eker

"Diagrams can be wrong."I am wondering if some diagrams you see are what pilots use, in training. Aren't they simplified and you tech guys would have access and require more complex diagrams?I ask because I have the book "Turbine Pilot's Manual" by Brown and Holt. It is aimed at pilots transitioning from single engine or ex-military pilots to multi turbine a/c. It says pilots use simplfied diagrams because all they need to know is the flow of power from major components to the flight deck controls. So to understand how to deal with in flight emergincies, etc.Thanks for the info you feed us, Ian. It's very interesting.