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Dead in the water now. Took my Wingman back and, after going through three of these things, got a full refund. But now I'm without a joystick.Searched the stores in two towns here and came up zilch.Now I'm browsing Ebay auctions and have seen two that really caught my interest.There were a number of Saitek X36 available starting at $10 and up.http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_4...b9ea8c6/i-1.JPGThere was one Saitek X45 at $65 with still 4 days to go so it will probably sell for far more than I can afford.http://www.cs.sunyit.edu/~augustm/ebay/sai...ottle_stick.jpgDoes any of you have or have had experience with these sticks who could give me some insight on them?Or, does anyone out there have something nice they wish to sell?I have about $50 that I can afford; maybe a little more (that I can't afford, but we do what we have to do when we REALLY want something) ;)Cheers!Heather

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I've been following the prior thread with much interest.I had a USB CH Yoke which packed it in, and needed a replacement. I didn't want to invest the same amount in a replacement device.On the basis of what was posted I went out to CompUSA and purchased a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB yoke. I paid $29.95 plus Florida tax.I've got the unit programmed, and mated up with a pair of Simped Vario Gameport rudder pedals I've owned for several years (there's a neat little website called Stickworks that has a set of Rudder Only drivers to allow mating up gameport and USB devices which works nicely).The joystick has a nice feel and despite the cheaper price is actually easier to use than the yoke was (!!??!!). The price was right, and I'm satisfied with the way the unit operates. A few more function buttons/keys would have been nice, but considering what I paid, I'm not complaining. The only question, of course, is how it will hold up over the long term.Michael VerlinHistoric Jetliners Group

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Heather I have the X36 going on 2 years now but since moving to XP I have lost the ability to program the stick. I am forced to use FS interface to program the buttons. Although this is not a huge loss it does limit the Hotas capability to basically program 1 button 3 different ways. The Throttle part has a mode 1 thru 3. Each button can be programmed different for each mode that you have selected. You also lose the ability to program complex keystroke combinations. As far as the tactile feel and ergonomics you cant beat it. Saitek is promising the completion of the programming interface but it has yet to be seen.Hope this helpsBob G

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Heather By the way, if u decide to get it I would make sure you have the USB version and not the gameport version. By doing so you will be able to take advantage of the programming interface. Im not sure but I think the gameport version is no longer being supported.BobG

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Heather Sorry for all of the posts but the picture of the x36 is a gameport version if you hadnt noticed.BobG

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. Good luck on e-bayHeather, I just took a look at the Saitek site and they have the X-36USB reconditioned for $39.99 so don't pay more than that on e-bay.Best Regards, Ed Green, KCLTegreen1@carolina.rr.com

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Thanks guys! I appreciate all the feedback. I'll keep that in mind regarding the USB aspect.Maybe that's why this one pictured was so cheap huh?Cheers!Heather

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What about the MS Force Feedback?I'm not overly crazy about the Sidewinder but the FFB might be fun.Heather

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I'm using the X45 & really do like it. Has two hat switches & plenty of buttons to take care of just about anything without having to use the keyboard. Usually runs 79.99 at stores for the USB model.L.Adamson

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Heather,I bought the reconditioned X36 from Saitek andit has worked flawlessly for me.

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>L.Adamson >> Does it work with XP? >Athlon 1900XPGeforce3Ti500512DDRramWindows XP (home)

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L.AdamsonI guess what I should have said is does the programming interface work with XP. Do you have full programmability?BobG

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Hi Heather,I can't recommend the X36/X45 series. I had an X36 for two years that performed okay until it died this spring. Only after I replaced it did I come to understand why I always had such trouble trimming many of the aircraft in FS2K2: It had become incredibly sloppy (wouldn't center properly). The real problem with these HOTAS is the SGE programming software. A fellow named Ron Hunt started a site to assist owners in learning how to program these things (don't know if the site is still sctive; Ron recently moved over to the Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS), which was much more helpful than anything Saitek ever did for the product. Saitek has also had a problem with buggy drivers (which isn't an issue with FS2K2; I never used the Saitek drivers in this sim). Many of the Saitek HOTAS owners have simply come to the conclusion that the company will never properly support the product, and that it is the owners as a group who must continue its development. But, as Larry stated, at $80.00 for a new X45, if it lasts 2 years you would get pretty good bang for your buck.I would tend to agree with Michael's recommendation of the Saitek Cyborg 3D USB. A friend, who is a casual simmer, has one and loves it. Another I would point you to is the Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner, which I believe is in the $50.00 range.I agree with others in the thread concerning USB vs. Gameport. USB only.Hope this helps,

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Bob, I don't use any of the programs. I just assign a "bunch" of buttons from within the FS2002 menu. Maybe that's why I don't have a trim problem as suggested farther down the line. I also have an older Saitek 3D Digital (game port) tied into all this to make use of my NONE USB Thrustmaster rudderpedals. L.Adamson

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I currently own the X45 and I have to say it was well worth the investment. The movements are so smooth and precise. It's wicked :-hahIt is loaded with buttons and features. The main stick has two 8-way hat switches, 3 fuction buttons, a launch button (under the cover), a trigger and pinkie switch.The throttle is a masterpiece with 2 rotary knobs, mode select switches two more function buttons, a mouse controller and there is even a rudder controller under the main handle.Over all it's a very versatile joystick with all the funtions you need in a sleek compact design. Emphasis on sleek ;-)Cheers :-hahNick :-abducthttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d2ddc5d40e48035.jpg

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I just upgraded from a Logitech Wingman to a CH Products Stick, and can vouch for it's quality. It's more than your budget, so that may be a consideration. This is the cheapest price Ive been able to find mail order.http://www.provantage.com/FP_56734.HTM

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Another advantage of HOTAS (Saitek X36/45, CH, or Thrustmaster): it is INFANITELY easier to control a helicopter with hands on stick and throttle. You can temporarily velcro the throttle base to a vertical wall so you are pulling the handle up and down instead of shoving it forwards and backwards, orientation becomes more intuitive and also its VERY like real world controls. == WHK ==

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I have a CH products yoke with pedals, a Saitek X45 and had earlier also an X36 and the Saitek Cyborg.I generally (of course...) prefer the yoke but I do use it together with the throttle of the X45. Not only do you get a better feeling when adjusting the power but you also get a lot more buttons to map to eg different views (very useful when flying the Dreamfleet 737), toga and reverse thrust.However, I do feel that the build quality of the x36 is far superior to the X45. The latter one feels very plastic and at least mine shows some sticky behaviour. The Saitek Cyborg is very good and well worth the money, however the X45 is not that much more expensive.Since my X36 was a game port version I couldn't use it anymore with my new comp. If it would, I would have kept it instead of buying the x45.Regards,KristerMariehamn

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>The joystick has a nice feel and despite the cheaper price >is actually easier to use than the yoke was (!!??!!).Hi Michael,could you elaborate on the above statement? It piqued my interest because I am pondering... nah... dreaming about such a device (USBFlight Yoke) and I've got the Saitek Cyborg as you do which I am very satisfied with basically. I ihought a yoke would add some more realism.celticmatrix

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Wow, some pretty tough choices.Again, my finances limt me a great deal on some I would REALLY like to have, but then what else is new, after all these years, I'm STILL waiting for my Rolls Royce.I may look into that Cyborg as i saw some of those too on ebay. What does it have though for "rudder" control?Again, thanks everyone for the feedback.Cheers!Heather

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Keep your Cyborg.I had felt up until now that CH products were a good value. I no longer think so. I had a Flightsim Yoke LE USB and USB Rudder pedals. The Rudder pedals failed after a year of use (broken spring a total write off), The Yoke became impossible to secure to my desktop, and the response to control inputs became increasingly sloppy. Worst of all was the throttle.The Cyborg is much more precise, much easier to use, and even if it should fail down the road, much cheaper to replace.When the time comes to purchase a new yoke, pedals, and throttles, I intend going to Precision Flight Controls. Yes, their stuff is admittedly expensive, but it is well made and will last.Michael VerlinHistoric Jetliners Group

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I DO hope this Cyborg has rudder control because I just got ahead of myself and placed a bid on it before waiting for an answer to that question.I guess I got excited over the $20 starting bid.We'll see.Regards,Heather

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Yes, the Cyborg definitely has rudder control. One twists the handle to exert control in that axis.Michael VerlinHistoric Jetliners Group

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Cool :-yellow1 :-yellow1 Hope the deal works out for you. Keep us posted.Regards,

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