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Am I correct in thinking Ariane is/was a PT company?If 'was', has someone else taken over?

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Ariane was, indeed, a PT creation. I think they're, finally, out of business. No one in their right mind would get involved taking over anything to do with The Evil One. If Ariane shows up alive again be very, very wary - especially with your credit card.Trip

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Ariane was very much part of the now defunct Corporate Worldwide Limited (trading 'style' World Air Simulations), and run by Peter Tishma.Just before the company was put into receivership, Tishma 'moved' Ariane out of the corporate equation, claiming it was nothing to do with his company (total lies - there is a mountain of evidence to prove Ariane and Corporate Worldwide were one and the same).Ariane is still run by Peter Tishma, but he'll never publicly admit to this as he knows that 'his reputation preceeds him...'There's nothing particularly new or innovative in the products either - you can readily get the same or better as freeware."....BUY IN HASTE - REGRET AT LEISURE...."

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I just saw the stuff at the "other" site. I can't understand why Nels is supporting Ariane. Methinks I'll be visiting FS.com a lot less from now on.Trip

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Hi, I respectfully disagree on the quality part and can

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When I saw the press release earlier today at Flightsim.com my first thought was that some of the talented folks who were responsible for Ariane's past products had taken over operations (after PT was forced into receivership this spring). But then it occurred to me what a bad business decision it would be for them to continue to use that name. Who would want to be associated with him in any way on a business level? I don't fly the heavies, so I merely perused the press release looking for some tie to PT.Given his well documented trail of unhappy customers (and I'm sure many happy ones), I would be cautious of this latest offering until more is learned about who exactly is involved.Just my 2 cents worth,

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...maybe Nels doesn't realise who he's really dealing with and who's behind Ariane?Maybe Nels should ask the 'people' at Ariane for their name(s)....

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Guys, thanks for the response.Uwe, your response surprised me given the other replies. BTW that remark should be taken on face value with nothing else implied.I see you all realised why I posed the question ;-)It was after I posted that I remembered a long thread on PT with contributions by George Abrahams and found the thread, sure enough there was the name of Ariane, with details.I did a search at Companies House for woodlandworld but only came up with addreses, no company director names.Despite Uwe's favourable comments I will not be replacing my DF 737 :-)

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I will agree with Uwe the Ariane 737 is still by far the best 737-300 on the market (aircraft model) and I still fly her almost every day in conjunction with my DF 737 panel and sounds and I will continue to do so. I do not agree with Mr. Tishma's business practices I do believe that the 737-300 was produced by some very good designers who were conned into Mr. Tishma's business tactics. John

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Hi JohnIf you believe that the 737 was made by good designers who were 'conned' by Tishma into doing business with him, then surely all the more reason to avoid further Ariane purchases and warn 'newbies' of the facts......

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Ariane is VERY much Peter Tishma although others may be involved as well. On a product published by World Air Simulation called "Piper N54 IFR, in the manual, one copyright line reads "World Air Simulation/Ariane Studios/CW2 2000/2001. Another reads that the "software and manual are property of Ariane Studios". Until just a few days ago the Fax number on Ariane's web site was the same one used by Tishma for many years as papa Tango/World Air Sim.In addition to the above, the Pilot who originally flew the flight never signed off on his participation and therefore his voice on the recordings and picture on the box were never authorized to be published. Furthermore, the adventure programmer was never paid by World Air Sim or Arianne Studios for the work and never had any contract with World Air Sim/Arianne Studios/CW2 for the work to be published.There will be much more to say about Peter Tishma and his companies very soon at the following site:http://home.earthlink.net/~ralphaz1/Best regards,Ralph Zimmerman

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RalphWhat you're claiming about Tishma and Ariane is of course totally correct and as I said earlier in this thread, the mountain of evidence to prove that Tishma and Ariane are now, and always were, one and the same is completely overwhelming.What upsets me most is that, having screwed up his companies to the point where they went bust completely due to his mis-management of them, he still has the arrogance and audacity to blame everyone else for what are clearly his own failings and even worse, is still hellbent on hiding behind fictitious personas and lying to everyone in the pathetic hope that people will not find him out and expose him.It is clear that by his current actions, he shows no remorse for the immense hurt he caused to so many innocent and talented people and is too much of a cowardly liar to 'come out' and explain himself..........or maybe he's just too ashamed....

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Ralph,Thanks for that definitive answer, along with the others 'newbies' should be in no doubt about what the more experienced simmers think about this groups' busines practices.BTW I was over at the 'other' site yesterday and could find no reference to the press release posted about 2 weeks ago, pleased about that.

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Unfortunately it's still there. But in a less visible spot. There is still a link to it on the righthand side of the page in the weekly listings. Too bad Nels doesn't share our viewpoint. But, as someone pointed out, it's his website (doesn't make it right though).Trip

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TripI don't think it's entirely fair to suggest that '...Nels doesn't share our viewpoint...'I'd rather give Nels the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he probably doesn't know exactly who is behind Ariane Studios; after all, he certainly isn't the first to be totally duped by Tishma and his many personas and I'm sure he won't be the last.Or maybe Nel's got a commercial reason for supporting Ariane on his site....It doesn't really matter as long as there are some who care enough to warn the public, or at least keep them informed of the truth. Then it's up to the individual to decide for him/herself whether or not they're relaxed about being tricked.

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It would appear that Ariane is certainly a PT Company, judging by all the bad press about it. I was, unfortunately, persuaded into "trying" to buy his products just a week ago, after having seen the report on Flightsim.com. At the time, I had no idea what I was letting myself in for! Here are the copies of the eight (8) e-mails that were sent to and from:======================================================================1. 19.Jul.02 Ariane AirSHOP Receipt ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxCredit Card Transaction Code: xxxxxxxxxxYou can use the Receipt ID and your Credit Card Transaction Code to log on and view your receipt (and download items) using this link:http://www.woodlandworld.com/Ariane/oldreceipt.aspThank you for shopping with Ariane AirSHOP.======================================================================2. 20.Jul.02 Hi there, I purchased yesterday, 5 files: Order I.D: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxCredit Card Transaction Code: xxxxxxxxxx1. Boeing 737 300 CFM BA 2. Boeing 737 300 CFM EasyJet 3. Boeing 737 300 CFM KLM 4 Boeing 757 200 RR BA BIKB Chelsea Rose 5. Boeing 767 300 UPS File 1 and 2 downloaded fine and I have no problems with them. File 3, 4 and 5 (KLM 737, BA 757 and UPS 767): Although they downloaded when I went to open them I got a message saying "Cannot open file. It does not appear to be a valid archive. If you downloaded this file, try downloading file again". I have tried downloading these three files three times. But have had no luck!! I know my system is fine, as I can download files from Flightsim.com with no problem. Can you help please?? ThanksIan Wilson======================================================================3. 21.Jul.02Dear SirIf you are having problems downloading the file or getting "time out" messages, we suggest you use a download manager - DAP5 is a good version and is available at most freeware sites - (Search for it on yahoo.com).Using this method has been very successful for a lot of our customers.Best WishesARIANE STUDIOSNEWSCOMING SOON - THE MOST AWESOME 737 YET!NEW 300 & 400 UPDATES - Latest updates for 737-300 and 400 were delayed, yet again - we apologise for this but due to the differing models and specs for each successive aircraft update, all of the aircraft have had to be restested due to a bug report from one of our customers (we've not been able to recreate this yet but are working on a fix and will be happier if we can resolve his problem) - new updates have been revised - newer files are being posted as and when ready - expected new release date will be this weekend.NEW FMC PANEL - The panel is in testing - with a fully spec'd FMC, full screen pedestal and full screen overhead and quarter panel throttle stacks etc; The latest Analogue version is still available from our web site.NEW 3DSM MODEL OUT SOON - The testing of the new version of our latest 3d Studio Max Model is now complete - Upload will take place any day now with announcements due shortly.We are sorry this cannot be a free update - (as we said, we work full time and we all have families to support and it is expensive to keep this site going).News Update: July 2002

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Ian,I am very sorry that you have been 'suckered(sp?) in' and do hope that your credit card company are able to get a refund for you.It is for people like yourself that I originated this thread and others posted in the hope that we could warn potential purchasers.Despite your disappointment I am pleased you posted, it will act as another warning.To be even handed please post if you do manage to get all your files to install.IMHO I think the decision to post the Ariane advert on the other site was a poor one given the history of those behind Ariane.I do hope the matter is resolved to your satisfaction.

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IanI too am sorry that you've had to join the 'Ariane Suckers Club' but I see you're already receiving your Welcome Pack (more than most other members receive - at least you got a reply!!)Here's a couple of suggestions:1. Contact Worldpay and complain - ask them to refund you.2. Ask Worldpay for Ariane contact details and complain to them direct. (You'll probably be given the name 'Katie Dyson' as Ariane contact. If you get an answer at all, it'll most likely be either Katie Tishma or Peter Tishma himself - if it's PT, prepare yourself for a 'bull bonanza', especially if you ask for a refund...or if you're really lucky, 'Bob Hale' will take your call.....)Also, in all seriousness, remember that Trading Standards already have a large dossier on Tishma and would be most eager to hear from you....Whatever happens, Good Luck!!!!! I think you're going to need it, especially if you want some money back - Tishma's got a lot more than his family to try and support...

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Well,For what it's worth, I had the same problem as above with secure file. After reading a post on a forum, I tried renaming the "Secure.zip" to "Secure.exe" and worked fine. I received an e-mail from them today advising that the new files are to be available Monday after 4:00 GMT. This should fix the white nose on the Southwest 737 as well as other issues.I did purchase before I new the whole story, but I have received 2 very nice 737-300's and the analog panel, which I like very much. I also have the DF version. There are features in both that are great.I do regret purchased from an unethical company, but givin the situation, I am well pleased with the product supplied.BC

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BC, Great news you got yours to work. I cant help thinking if this is the case, then the replies Ian recieved are obviously Tishma or his alter ego's ect , realy dont know what they're doing ! (though we knew this all along)Interestingly, notice know how the fantastico new releases have changed in the flash of the hand from being Gmax to 3DS ? On this score, I confirm once again, this NEW release is not NEW, the OLD was a 3DS model, it's very easy to tell if you know a little about code consider also the Russians have been in the past very good at 3DS creations and porting them over to FS, as seen in quite a few models now, not withstanding some from a respected outfit with a forum here at Avsim.George

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PSIf you have purchased previously from Ariane, they advise the updates are free, just use your receipt to download. We'll see...BC

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We'll see on this one. If you want the new 3DS, you have to pay again, perhaps Ian should cancel the whole transaction and wait until the new (old) is released.personally it's time for an industry / user wide boycott.George

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I think it's also worth reminding people of the fact that as some of these planes were available from Ariane before Tishma's companies went 'pop', the planes are no longer his to sell as they are assets of the now-defunct companies.IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE STOLEN PROPERTY. PURE AND SIMPLE.

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Ian welcome to the club when Ariane first started out with the 737 I purchased (2) of them the UA and the UA shtl 737. In my case Ariane never sent me an email. I had my Worldpay receipt but no email from Ariane for the info to d/l it. The first week no response from them, so emailed Worldpay to refund my $$$, but no response, the second week Ariane got back to me saying I would have the receipt in an hour or two Nope two days pass no response. So one of the 737 designers actually contacted me after I posted a message on the forum for a Warning about them. He sent me the aircraft split up into 4 zips to my MSN account. Still to this day I have never received the receipt from Ariane. Bob Hale (aka Peter Tishma) contacted me about a month ago asking me how I liked the aircraft. I told him the planes are nice but the customer service sucks and I have issues about Ariane and it being part of PT. He never did answer that question but he did offer to send me the new 737 cockpit and the UA 737's. Sure enough two weeks later a CD appears with the UA 737's, the 757, 767, and the panel. It only took a year for me to officially get the 737, they have such ##### poor service. Like I said in my above post I love the 737 she is the best around. I would never purchase from them again because of the issues I have had in the past from them as well as seeing that things have not changed at all.Also I will say that the 737 Panel Sucks, the 757 is nice, the 767 is ok but the Project Open Sky 767 is by far the best. The 757 will hold me over until the POS 757 is out.Anyway good luck if I were you try to get a refund.John

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The 757 is Sandro Bernadini's model and is 'lifted' from Tishma's World Air Simulation (Corporate Worldwide Limited) releases "American Airlines" and "British Airways". As such, the plane is not his to sell.IN OTHER WORDS, IT TOO IS STOLEN PROPERTY. PURE AND SIMPLE.

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