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Hi everybody!I'd to perform KLAX-VHHH like the real flight CPA881.I found the real flight plan on flightaware.com used the 27th december: VTU5 RZS J88 PYE J143 ENI FOT BOXER B453 TAMRU B453 MDO J804R ANC J111 UNK FDV G212 VALDA G212 ARGUK G212 KR B458 WXI A461 LIG R473 NNX R473 WYN W18 NLG W23 ZUH R473 SIERAOn the ramp at KLAX ,with a ZFW at 233500 kgs, there isn't enought fuel on board (full=173500kgs) and the FMC write "Insufficient fuel".I don't understand why my 747-400 can't do the same flight as the real one??? thanks in advance for your answers...:-hmmm

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Just tried it and don't have a problem.However with that ZFW you cannot load 173500kgs fuel, the load manager states max fuel is 163490kgs. With that amount of fuel loaded and 12kgs as reserve the FMC does not give me an error.Using the fuel tables in the manual a 5,800nm trip requires a max of 142kgs plus adjustment for PLWT over 216,000kgs.Suggest you try loading fuel to 163,400kgs and see if that clears the problem.Dave

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>Hi everybody!>>I'd to perform KLAX-VHHH like the real flight CPA881.>I found the real flight plan on flightaware.com used the 27th>december: >VTU5 RZS J88 PYE J143 ENI FOT BOXER B453> TAMRU B453 MDO J804R ANC J111 UNK FDV> G212 VALDA G212 ARGUK G212 KR B458 WXI> A461 LIG R473 NNX R473 WYN W18 NLG W23> ZUH R473 SIERA>>On the ramp at KLAX ,with a ZFW at 233500 kgs, there isn't>enought fuel on board (full=173500kgs) and the FMC write>"Insufficient fuel".>>I don't understand why my 747-400 can't do the same flight as>the real one??? >>thanks in advance for your answers...>:-hmmm helloseems that with weather prediction and winds forecast you cannot do it with your load ...i ve tested your route with todays weather and here s the result with FOC2003 ...try the plan with reducted payload ....hope this helps ... START OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN CPA0883 06.12.29 KLAXVHHH.001 SEQ003 RLS000 WARNINGS :- Fuel Load reduced. (e.g. Limited Fuel Tank Capacity)AIRCRAFT B744--CF6-GE STD 15.55Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400E STA 07.40Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 6868 TRACK INDEX 109 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 7269 COMPONENT H025 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG BIAS 1000 ZFW 200076 246072 TAXI 1,00 TOF 172425 173425 VHHH 156,78 15.10 TOW 372501 394626 RR20 7,84 00.46 TIF 156785 VMMC* 3,38 00,12 FL030 LW 215716 285764 FR 4,42 00.30 REM 15640 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO MIN 173,43 16,38 ADD 0,00 ACT 173,43 NOTES :- Route exeeds 105 per cent of GC !- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061229.18U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : VTU5-RZS / J88-PYE / J143-ENI / DCT-FOT / DCT-BOXER / B453-MDO / J804R-ANC / J111-UNK / DCT-FDV / G212-KR / B458-WXI / A461-ENLOK / DCT-LIG / R473-WYN / W18-NLG / W23-ZUH / R473-SIERA / SIER2A-GUAVA / (D07L-SOKOE)DIST 6868 GCI 109 CP H025 ESAD 7269 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :CEANO/F280 - ENI/F300 - NAKBI/F320 - FDV/F315 - BC/S0960 - UHMA/F315 - BETAM/S0960 - UHMO/F348 - GORAS/S1060 - UHMG/F348 - TA/S1060 - VELUT/F348 - GRUMA/S1060 - UHNN/F348 - ERMAN/S1060 - UHHH/F348 - IJ/S1070 - JMU/S1080 - AKOMA/S1200 - ENLOK/F394 - LIG/S1200 - BEMAG/S1140 - NNX/F374 - WYN/S1200 - NOMAR/F394 - UBLIM/S1130 - NLG/S1200 - SIERA/F374[FF]FLIGHTPLAN: AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KLAX 0,00 ..../..../..../0,00 0,00 /.....172,4VTU5 VTU 108.20 F087 274 033,6 0,05 ..../..../..../00.05 2,27 /.....170,1VTU5 RZS 114.90 F185 289 042,9 0,06 ..../..../..../00.11 4,54 /.....167,8* TOC CEANO D-011 J88 CEANO F280 312 062,6 0,08 ..../..../..../00.19 7,19 /.....165,2J88 ROBIE F280 311 044,7 0,06 ..../..../..../00.25 8,49 /.....163,9J88 SNS 117.30 F280 311 050,1 0,07 ..../..../..../00.32 9,97 /.....162,4J88 PYE 113.70 F280 308 104,3 0,14 ..../..../..../00.46 12,92 /.....159,5J143 ENI 112.30 F300 325 061,5 0,08 ..../..../..../00.54 14,66 /.....157,7DCT FOT 114.00 F300 320 106,8 0,14 ..../..../..../01.08 17,50 /.....154,9DCT BOXER F300 309 150,7 0,18 ..../..../..../01.26 21,28 /.....151,1B453 KYLLE F300 317 048,2 0,06 ..../..../..../01.32 22,43 /.....149,9B453 KANUA F300 316 286,9 0,31 ..../..../..../02.03 28,74 /.....143,6B453 VIDKU F300 312 036,6 0,04 ..../..../..../02.07 29,53 /.....142,8B453 TAMRU F300 312 049,9 0,05 ..../..../..../02.12 30,61 /.....141,8B453 SIMLU F300 311 072,3 0,08 ..../..../..../02.20 32,21 /.....140,2B453 KURTT F300 310 013,5 0,01 ..../..../..../02.21 32,49 /.....139,9B453 PETPA F300 308 057,2 0,07 ..../..../..../02.28 33,86 /.....138,5B453 NAKBI F320 306 071,7 0,09 ..../..../..../02.37 35,68 /.....136,7B453 METPA F320 305 072,5 0,08 ..../..../..../02.45 37,28 /.....135,1B453 KATCH F320 304 072,7 0,08 ..../..../..../02.53 38,87 /.....133,5B453 MDO 115.30 F320 296 470,8 0,53 ..../..../..../03.46 48,95 /.....123,4J804R NOWEL F320 292 093,8 0,10 ..../..../..../03.56 50,88 /.....121,5J804R ANC 114.30 F320 291 061,0 0,07 ..../..../..../04.03 52,14 /.....120,2J111 MCG 115.50 F320 287 186,6 0,23 ..../..../..../04.26 56,39 /.....116,0J111 UNK 116.90 F320 276 147,6 0,19 ..../..../..../04.45 59,83 /.....112,5DCT FDV 0529.0 F315 272 126,3 0,16 ..../..../..../05.01 62,66 /.....109,7G212 YUREE F315 256 092,3 0,11 ..../..../..../05.12 64,73 /.....107,6G212 VALDA F315 255 057,4 0,07 ..../..../..../05.19 66,01 /.....106,4G212 ABINA F315 254 017,7 0,02 ..../..../..../05.21 66,39 /.....106,0G212 BC 0960.0 0960 261 038,4 0,05 ..../..../..../05.26 67,25 /.....105,1G212 GIRLO 0960 261 031,1 0,04 ..../..../..../05.30 67,95 /.....104,4G212 VEDLA 0960 271 147,6 0,17 ..../..../..../05.47 70,99 /.....101,4G212 UHMA F315 268 055,3 0,06 ..../..../..../05.53 72,12 /.....100,3G212 BETAM 0960 268 131,4 0,16 ..../..../..../06.09 75,07 /.....97,36G212 UHMO F348 266 056,6 0,07 ..../..../..../06.16 76,45 /.....95,97G212 GORAS 1060 243 152,1 0,19 ..../..../..../06.35 79,64 /.....92,79G212 UHMG F348 241 163,9 0,22 ..../..../..../06.57 83,37 /.....89,06G212 TA 0995.0 1060 250 196,8 0,26 ..../..../..../07.23 87,71 /.....84,72G212 BUVAK 1060 243 109,1 0,14 ..../..../..../07.37 90,07 /.....82,36G212 VELUT F348 242 005,8 0,01 ..../..../..../07.38 90,18 /.....82,25G212 DATIR F348 242 040,1 0,05 ..../..../..../07.43 91,04 /.....81,39G212 GAKRA F348 242 056,6 0,07 ..../..../..../07.50 92,24 /.....80,19G212 GRUMA 1060 241 169,6 0,23 ..../..../..../08.13 95,89 /.....76,53G212 IGODA 1060 238 030,1 0,04 ..../..../..../08.17 96,53 /.....75,89G212 OMARU 1060 238 096,4 0,13 ..../..../..../08.30 98,59 /.....73,84G212 KUVAL 1060 236 036,7 0,05 ..../..../..../08.35 99,34 /.....73,09G212 UHNN F348 236 081,2 0,11 ..../..../..../08.46 101,02/.....71,41G212 ERMAN 1060 228 100,5 0,13 ..../..../..../08.59 103,06/.....69,37G212 TERBO 1060 226 061,0 0,08 ..../..../..../09.07 104,29/.....68,14G212 XR 0615.0 1060 230 040,5 0,05 ..../..../..../09.12 105,10/.....67,33G212 LALET 1060 227 021,4 0,03 ..../..../..../09.15 105,52/.....66,91G212 QI 0335.0 1060 227 046,4 0,06 ..../..../..../09.21 106,43/.....66,00G212 TOMSU 1060 237 039,9 0,05 ..../..../..../09.26 107,20/.....65,22G212 UHHH F348 236 037,8 0,05 ..../..../..../09.31 107,94/.....64,49G212 ARGUK F348 221 044,1 0,06 ..../..../..../09.37 108,80/.....63,63G212 IJ 0394.0 1070 219 001,0 0,00 ..../..../..../09.37 108,83/.....63,60G212 JMU 113.50 1080 263 181,2 0,27 ..../..../..../10.04 112,96/.....59,46G212 HRB 112.50 1080 260 189,2 0,30 ..../..../..../10.34 117,43/.....54,99G212 FYU 113.70 1080 246 074,9 0,11 ..../..../..../10.45 119,09/.....53,33G212 OTABO 1080 244 046,9 0,07 ..../..../..../10.52 120,11/.....52,32G212 TGO 116.30 1080 244 091,6 0,13 ..../..../..../11.05 122,09/.....50,34G212 BEDOG 1080 242 206,9 0,31 ..../..../..../11.36 126,61/.....45,82G212 LR 0215.0 1080 240 081,0 0,12 ..../..../..../11.48 128,30/.....44,13G212 CD 0422.0 1080 244 069,7 0,10 ..../..../..../11.58 129,73/.....42,69G212 RENOB 1080 232 022,5 0,03 ..../..../..../12.01 130,19/.....42,24G212 KR 0314.0 1080 233 053,5 0,08 ..../..../..../12.09 131,29/.....41,14B458 SJW 117.70 1080 180 052,2 0,07 ..../..../..../12.16 132,28/.....40,14B458 WXI 115.70 1080 180 115,6 0,16 ..../..../..../12.32 134,53/.....37,90A461 AKOMA 1200 189 100,7 0,14 ..../..../..../12.46 136,62/.....35,81A461 ZHO 115.50 1200 189 062,2 0,09 ..../..../..../12.55 137,83/.....34,60A461 OBLIK 1200 188 080,2 0,14 ..../..../..../13.09 139,66/.....32,77A461 ZF 0369.0 1200 188 060,0 0,10 ..../..../..../13.19 141,02/.....31,40A461 LKO 115.80 1200 208 093,2 0,18 ..../..../..../13.37 143,41/.....29,01A461 DAPRO 1200 187 039,9 0,07 ..../..../..../13.44 144,28/.....28,15A461 ENLOK F394 187 026,5 0,04 ..../..../..../13.48 144,85/.....27,58DCT LIG 112.40 1200 187 071,4 0,12 ..../..../..../14.00 146,41/.....26,02R473 BEMAG 1140 168 099,9 0,14 ..../..../..../14.14 148,14/.....24,29R473 NNX 115.60 F374 168 057,0 0,08 ..../..../..../14.22 149,18/.....23,25R473 WYN 113.90 1200 193 046,2 0,07 ..../..../..../14.29 150,20/.....22,22W18 SANIP 1200 198 019,9 0,03 ..../..../..../14.32 150,60/.....21,83W18 NOMAR F394 198 032,3 0,05 ..../..../..../14.37 151,26/.....21,16W18 UBLIM 1130 198 038,6 0,06 ..../..../..../14.43 151,99/.....20,43W18 NLG 117.70 1200 198 022,2 0,03 ..../..../..../14.46 152,54/.....19,88W23 ZUH 116.70 1200 197 019,4 0,03 ..../..../..../14.49 152,89/.....19,54R473 SIERA F374 163 014,9 0,02 ..../..../..../14.51 153,04/.....19,38* TOD HERON D-008 SIER2A HERON F357 156 043,7 0,06 ..../..../..../14.57 153,96/.....18,46SIER2A MANGO F237 065 038,7 0,04 ..../..../..../15.01 154,29/.....18,13SIER2A GUAVA F103 324 041,5 0,06 ..../..../..../15.07 154,53/.....17,90D07L SOKOE F062 250 013,0 0,02 ..../..../..../15.09 154,73/.....17,70D07L LIMES F050 297 004,2 0,01 ..../..../..../15.10 154,78/.....17,64D07L *Proc F050 0,00 ..../..../..../15.10 154,78/.....17,64D07L CD07L F020 351 009,5 0,01 ..../..../..../15.11 154,82/.....17,60 VHHH 0,00 ..../..../..../15.10 156,7 /.....15,64[FF]WAYPOINTS AND WINDS : ENROUTEICAO FREQ LATITUDE LONGITUDE MAG WD

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Thanks for your answer!I don't know how you do to find 5.800 Nm because my FMC and FSNavigator find both about 6750 Nm with the flight above...Then as you said I looked in the manual and this is what I found:My data: ZFW 223400 kg PLW 236400 kg (because I want 13000 kg as reserve)first FL to reach: FL 280 (so 310 in the table) and dist of trip: about 6800 Nmso 236400-216000=2040020400/4500=4.5From the table: 142000+[(145*4.5)*13.9]= 151070 kg so if I insert 151070 kgs in my FMC, there is not enought fuel for the trip and it's write: Insufficient fuelWhy it's not write at VHHH: 13.0 (my reserve in fact)hope you understand :-)thanks!

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:-eek What that!!!There are many informations!!!:D ok, questions? (if you have time)- What is FOC2003?- Can you explain to me this chapter because i don't see what is the ZFW (200076 or 246072) and the fuel used for the flight: FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG BIAS 1000 ZFW 200076 246072 TAXI 1,00 TOF 172425 173425 VHHH 156,78 15.10 TOW 372501 394626 RR20 7,84 00.46 TIF 156785 VMMC* 3,38 00,12 FL030 LW 215716 285764 FR 4,42 00.30 REM 15640 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO- where did you find this document, it's great to repeat flights like real onesthanks a lot for your help!;-)

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>:-eek What that!!!>>There are many informations!!!>:D >>ok, questions? (if you have time)>- What is FOC2003?>- Can you explain to me this chapter because i don't see what>is the ZFW (200076 or 246072) and the fuel used for the>flight:>> FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG>>BIAS 1000 ZFW 200076 246072 >TAXI 1,00 TOF 172425 173425 >VHHH 156,78 15.10 TOW 372501 394626 >RR20 7,84 00.46 TIF 156785 >VMMC* 3,38 00,12 FL030 LW 215716 285764 >FR 4,42 00.30 REM 15640 >CF 0,00 >HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO>>- where did you find this document, it's great to repeat>flights like real ones>>thanks a lot for your help!>;-) my pleasure ...i ll try to answer the best i can :first foc danur 2003 is a tool to create flightplanning tools like pro ....http://www.danur.com/frontpage/index.htm the link for softwarehttp://webx.simpilot.net:8080/cgi-bin/WebX...ynxd.1@.ee6b606 the link for forum support ...i created the profile based on 744 GE engines ...for now you have the choice of .87 .86 .85 .87 and LRC ...MRC and C100 to come ????!!!now about your flight :max weights246072 kgs zfw173425 kgs fuel394626 kgs tow285764 kgs ldwour flight :ZFW 200076 kgsTOF 173425 kgs minus 1,0 taxiso 172425 kgsTOW 372501fuel for the flight 156785 kgs for the given ZFW ....not overres 15640 kgs for fmc ....over 7200 nm for the flight including wind factor ...pretty the route is not the best one for todays winds ...!!!!if you want or add 1000 kgs in landing weight you need to carry 550 kgs that mean one extra 1000 giving only 450 kgs at VHHH ...!!!feel free to ask any other questions ...see youphilFUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG BIAS 1000 ZFW 200076 246072 TAXI 1,00 TOF 172425 173425 VHHH 156,78 15.10 TOW 372501 394626 RR20 7,84 00.46 TIF 156785 VMMC* 3,38 00,12 FL030 LW 215716 285764 FR 4,42 00.30 REM 15640 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO MIN 173,43 16,38 ADD 0,00 ACT 173,43

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>I'd to perform KLAX-VHHH like the real flight CPA881.>I found the real flight plan on flightaware.com used the 27th>december: Flightaware is a very good source for real-life flight plans but for many long haul trans-oceanic flights such plans are very much wind-dependent and may change daily. So you are risking that using 27th Dec. plan may not work with todays winds, you should use the historical winds that match the date of the flight plan. If I were I would first try to fly this route with no weather, great crircle and then induce weather when you get more advanced.To my knowledge there is no flight planning tool available among simulation community that takes winds into account like professional airline dispatch centers use - their software (I think it's Jeppesen's) is able to calculate so called wind-optimal route. This requires fairly advanced software. The flights plans you get from flightaware are wind-optimized, which is their biggest advantage.Michael J.


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i ve studied a little the route and reclear or refile airport in enroute and we do it with ZBAA as ERA with are better ???!!!hope you ll love it ???!!!see youSTART OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN CPA0883 06.12.29 KLAXVHHH.001 SEQ006 RLS000 WARNINGS :- ZFW reduced, Limited Zero Fuel Weight.- Fuel Load reduced. (e.g. Limited Fuel Tank Capacity)AIRCRAFT B744--CF6-GE STD 15.55Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE 400E STA 07.40Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 6868 TRACK INDEX 109 DISP: *DSP /.................. ESAD 7323 COMPONENT H029 PIC: *PIC /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN KG BIAS 1000 ZFW 212771 246072 TAXI 1,00 TOF 172425 173425 VHHH 163,57 15.19 TOW 385196 394626 RR20 1,42 00.08 TIF 163573 VMMC* 3,40 00,12 FL030 LW 221623 285764 FR 4,42 00.30 REM 8852 CF 0,00 HF 0,00 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO MIN 173,82 16,09 ADD 0,00 ACT 173,43 NOTES :- Route exeeds 105 per cent of GC !- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20061229.00U / 20061229.06U / 20061229.12U / 20061229.18U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : VTU5-RZS / J88-PYE / J143-ENI / DCT-FOT / DCT-BOXER / B453-MDO / J804R-ANC / J111-UNK / DCT-FDV / G212-KR / B458-WXI / A461-ENLOK / DCT-LIG / R473-WYN / W18-NLG / W23-ZUH / R473-SIERA / SIER2A-GUAVA / (D07L-SOKOE)DIST 6868 GCI 109 CP H029 ESAD 7323 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :CEANO/F280 - VIDKU/F300 - NOWEL/F320 - FDV/F315 - BC/S0960 - UHMA/F315 - BETAM/S0960 - UHMO/F315 - GORAS/S0960 - UHMG/F315 - TA/S1060 - VELUT/F348 - GRUMA/S1060 - UHNN/F348 - ERMAN/S1060 - UHHH/F348 - IJ/S1070 - JMU/S1080 - ZF/S1200 - ENLOK/F394 - LIG/S1200 - BEMAG/S1140 - NNX/F374 - WYN/S1200 - NOMAR/F394 - UBLIM/S1130 - NLG/S1200 - SIERA/F374[FF]FLIGHTPLAN: AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KLAX 0,00 ..../..../..../0,00 0,00 /.....172,4VTU5 VTU 108.20 F078 274 033,6 0,05 ..../..../..../00.05 2,16 /.....170,2VTU5 RZS 114.90 F169 289 042,9 0,06 ..../..../..../00.11 4,45 /.....167,9* TOC CEANO D-004 J88 CEANO F280 312 062,6 0,09 ..../..../..../00.20 7,47 /.....164,9J88 ROBIE F280 311 044,7 0,06 ..../..../..../00.26 8,91 /.....163,5J88 SNS 117.30 F280 311 050,1 0,07 ..../..../..../00.33 10,52 /.....161,9J88 PYE 113.70 F280 308 104,3 0,14 ..../..../..../00.47 13,58 /.....158,8J143 ENI 112.30 F280 325 061,5 0,08 ..../..../..../00.55 15,38 /.....157,0DCT FOT 114.00 F280 320 106,8 0,14 ..../..../..../01.09 18,49 /.....153,9DCT BOXER F280 309 150,7 0,20 ..../..../..../01.29 22,77 /.....149,6B453 KYLLE F280 317 048,2 0,06 ..../..../..../01.35 24,07 /.....148,3B453 KANUA F280 316 286,9 0,32 ..../..../..../02.07 31,06 /.....141,3B453 VIDKU F300 312 036,6 0,04 ..../..../..../02.11 32,04 /.....140,3B453 TAMRU F300 312 049,9 0,06 ..../..../..../02.17 33,21 /.....139,2B453 SIMLU F300 311 072,3 0,08 ..../..../..../02.25 34,93 /.....137,4B453 KURTT F300 310 013,5 0,02 ..../..../..../02.27 35,24 /.....137,1B453 PETPA F300 308 057,2 0,06 ..../..../..../02.33 36,47 /.....135,9B453 NAKBI F300 306 071,7 0,08 ..../..../..../02.41 38,03 /.....134,4B453 METPA F300 305 072,5 0,08 ..../..../..../02.49 39,62 /.....132,8B453 KATCH F300 304 072,7 0,08 ..../..../..../02.57 41,22 /.....131,2B453 MDO 115.30 F300 296 470,8 0,54 ..../..../..../03.51 52,16 /.....120,2J804R NOWEL F320 292 093,8 0,10 ..../..../..../04.01 54,30 /.....118,1J804R ANC 114.30 F320 291 061,0 0,07 ..../..../..../04.08 55,61 /.....116,8J111 MCG 115.50 F320 287 186,6 0,23 ..../..../..../04.31 60,01 /.....112,4J111 UNK 116.90 F320 276 147,6 0,18 ..../..../..../04.49 63,43 /.....108,9DCT FDV 0529.0 F315 272 126,3 0,15 ..../..../..../05.04 66,29 /.....106,1G212 YUREE F315 256 092,3 0,11 ..../..../..../05.15 68,39 /.....104,0G212 VALDA F315 255 057,4 0,07 ..../..../..../05.22 69,68 /.....102,7G212 ABINA F315 254 017,7 0,02 ..../..../..../05.24 70,07 /.....102,3G212 BC 0960.0 0960 261 038,4 0,05 ..../..../..../05.29 70,95 /.....101,4G212 GIRLO 0960 261 031,1 0,04 ..../..../..../05.33 71,66 /.....100,7G212 VEDLA 0960 271 147,6 0,21 ..../..../..../05.54 75,46 /.....96,97G212 UHMA F315 268 055,3 0,08 ..../..../..../06.02 76,87 /.....95,56G212 BETAM 0960 268 131,4 0,17 ..../..../..../06.19 79,96 /.....92,47G212 UHMO F315 266 056,6 0,07 ..../..../..../06.26 81,26 /.....91,17G212 GORAS 0960 243 152,1 0,19 ..../..../..../06.45 84,76 /.....87,66G212 UHMG F315 241 163,9 0,22 ..../..../..../07.07 88,75 /.....83,67G212 TA 0995.0 1060 250 196,8 0,28 ..../..../..../07.35 93,55 /.....78,87G212 BUVAK 1060 243 109,1 0,15 ..../..../..../07.50 96,01 /.....76,42G212 VELUT F348 242 005,8 0,01 ..../..../..../07.51 96,12 /.....76,31G212 DATIR F348 242 040,1 0,05 ..../..../..../07.56 97,01 /.....75,42G212 GAKRA F348 242 056,6 0,08 ..../..../..../08.04 98,26 /.....74,17G212 GRUMA 1060 241 169,6 0,23 ..../..../..../08.27 101,99/.....70,43G212 IGODA 1060 238 030,1 0,04 ..../..../..../08.31 102,65/.....69,78G212 OMARU 1060 238 096,4 0,13 ..../..../..../08.44 104,75/.....67,68G212 KUVAL 1060 236 036,7 0,05 ..../..../..../08.49 105,51/.....66,92G212 UHNN F348 236 081,2 0,11 ..../..../..../09.00 107,22/.....65,21G212 ERMAN 1060 228 100,5 0,13 ..../..../..../09.13 109,25/.....63,17G212 TERBO 1060 226 061,0 0,08 ..../..../..../09.21 110,49/.....61,94G212 XR 0615.0 1060 230 040,5 0,05 ..../..../..../09.26 111,29/.....61,13G212 LALET 1060 227 021,4 0,03 ..../..../..../09.29 111,72/.....60,71G212 QI 0335.0 1060 227 046,4 0,06 ..../..../..../09.35 112,64/.....59,78G212 TOMSU 1060 237 039,9 0,05 ..../..../..../09.40 113,43/.....58,99G212 UHHH F348 236 037,8 0,05 ..../..../..../09.45 114,18/.....58,25G212 ARGUK F348 221 044,1 0,06 ..../..../..../09.51 115,06/.....57,37G212 IJ 0394.0 1070 219 001,0 0,00 ..../..../..../09.51 115,08/.....57,34G212 JMU 113.50 1080 263 181,2 0,25 ..../..../..../10.16 119,00/.....53,42G212 HRB 112.50 1080 260 189,2 0,28 ..../..../..../10.44 123,38/.....49,05G212 FYU 113.70 1080 246 074,9 0,11 ..../..../..../10.55 124,98/.....47,44G212 OTABO 1080 244 046,9 0,06 ..../..../..../11.01 125,97/.....46,46G212 TGO 116.30 1080 244 091,6 0,14 ..../..../..../11.15 128,04/.....44,39G212 BEDOG 1080 242 206,9 0,31 ..../..../..../11.46 132,65/.....39,78G212 LR 0215.0 1080 240 081,0 0,12 ..../..../..../11.58 134,37/.....38,05G212 CD 0422.0 1080 244 069,7 0,10 ..../..../..../12.08 135,83/.....36,59G212 RENOB 1080 232 022,5 0,03 ..../..../..../12.11 136,30/.....36,13G212 KR 0314.0 1080 233 053,5 0,08 ..../..../..../12.19 137,42/.....35,01B458 SJW 117.70 1080 180 052,2 0,07 ..../..../..../12.26 138,42/.....34,00B458 WXI 115.70 1080 180 115,6 0,15 ..../..../..../12.41 140,68/.....31,74A461 AKOMA 1080 189 100,7 0,14 ..../..../..../12.55 142,69/.....29,73A461 ZHO 115.50 1080 189 062,2 0,09 ..../..../..../13.04 143,93/.....28,49A461 OBLIK 1080 188 080,2 0,13 ..../..../..../13.17 145,84/.....26,59A461 ZF 0369.0 1200 188 060,0 0,10 ..../..../..../13.27 147,38/.....25,04A461 LKO 115.80 1200 208 093,2 0,18 ..../..../..../13.45 149,83/.....22,59A461 DAPRO 1200 187 039,9 0,07 ..../..../..../13.52 150,71/.....21,71A461 ENLOK F394 187 026,5 0,04 ..../..../..../13.56 151,30/.....21,13DCT LIG 112.40 1200 187 071,4 0,12 ..../..../..../14.08 152,89/.....19,53R473 BEMAG 1140 168 099,9 0,14 ..../..../..../14.22 154,65/.....17,77R473 NNX 115.60 F374 168 057,0 0,08 ..../..../..../14.30 155,71/.....16,72R473 WYN 113.90 1200 193 046,2 0,07 ..../..../..../14.37 156,76/.....15,67W18 SANIP 1200 198 019,9 0,03 ..../..../..../14.40 157,16/.....15,26W18 NOMAR F394 198 032,3 0,05 ..../..../..../14.45 157,84/.....14,59W18 UBLIM 1130 198 038,6 0,06 ..../..../..../14.51 158,58/.....13,85W18 NLG 117.70 1200 198 022,2 0,03 ..../..../..../14.54 159,14/.....13,28W23 ZUH 116.70 1200 197 019,4 0,03 ..../..../..../14.57 159,50/.....12,93R473 SIERA F374 163 014,9 0,02 ..../..../..../14.59 159,65/.....12,78* TOD HERON D-002 SIER2A HERON F358 156 043,7 0,06 ..../..../..../15.05 160,71/.....11,71SIER2A MANGO F237 065 038,7 0,04 ..../..../..../15.09 161,05/.....11,38SIER2A GUAVA F103 324 041,5 0,06 ..../..../..../15.15 161,28/.....11,14D07L SOKOE F062 250 013,0 0,02 ..../..../..../15.17 161,49/.....10,94D07L LIMES F049 297 004,2 0,01 ..../..../..../15.18 161,54/.....10,88D07L *Proc F050 0,00 ..../..../..../15.18 161,54/.....10,88D07L CD07L F020 351 009,5 0,01 ..../..../..../15.19 161,58/.....10,84 VHHH 0,00 ..../..../..../15.19 163,5 /.....8,85 [FF]WAYPOINTS AND WINDS : ENROUTEICAO FREQ LATITUDE LONGITUDE MAG WD

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>>I'd to perform KLAX-VHHH like the real flight CPA881.>>I found the real flight plan on flightaware.com used the>27th>>december: >>Flightaware is a very good source for real-life flight plans>but for many long haul trans-oceanic flights such plans are>very much wind-dependent and may change daily. So you are>risking that using 27th Dec. plan may not work with todays>winds, you should use the historical winds that match the date>of the flight plan. If I were I would first try to fly this>route with no weather, great crircle and then induce weather>when you get more advanced.>>To my knowledge there is no flight planning tool available>among simulation community that takes winds into account like>professional airline dispatch centers use - their software (I>think it's Jeppesen's) is able to calculate so called>wind-optimal route. This requires fairly advanced software.>The flights plans you get from flightaware are wind-optimized,>which is their biggest advantage.>>Michael J.>Hello Michaleven the so "pro" program (multi millions)are sometimes not so good and dispatcher need to includes handput wpts to save day ops ... that s why we re paid ... but for this specific route KLAX VHHH there is around four routes and i ve tested at least two and this is the not so bad one ....but we re stretching the normal 744 in her last territories ...after that this is for 744 ER or 777 LR or A345 ...!!!!but i can insure you that FOC 2003 is realy very close to real ops and for less money ... at least for JAR or CAR ops ... FAR is coming too ...at least when routes winds and aircraft perfs are well fed as for real ...!!!!see you

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Hum... very, very interesting!!!Thank you so much for your answers!i'am going to studying all that...

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