Hello all:I've been searching for detailed information regarding the proper procedures / checklist for the unlikely eventuality of flying into a volcanic ash cloud and losing power to both engines.I have general information from Boeing and a Lauda Training Manual, but would still love to know if there is an actual checklist... obviously restarting the engines would be key as well as descending and doing a 180 AWAY from the cloud... would these be MEMORY items?767 or 737 would work. A NON-NORMAL checklist perhaps? Does something like that exist for volcanic ash? LOLThis information is required for a MOW that is being shot in Vancouver which the BBC is producing entitled SUPERVOLCANO.And no, McGrath, I'm not the Captain in this one, but I will be the CO-PILOT (and I'm responsible for coming up with REAL WORLD procedures), so any help would be appreciated. We don't film the Flight Deck scenes until June 3 and 4.Thanks all... the aviation aspect is just one small part of the film (the part that I'm involved with at any rate), and the project will air in the UK on BBC in the new year, and Discovery US a year after that.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

Found this:http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagaz...anic_story.htmlIt includes the recommended procedures from Boeing when encountering Volcanic Ash.The 747 incident off Indonesia 36000ft to 12500ft involved BA.

Thanks Mark - I have that document. It's essentially what the script is saying as well.It looks like the "set" for this production is what can best be described as a 737-400 (6 seats across, and yokes), so I have found some checklists from the DREAMFLEET which are quite good, and will have to do.I'm working out some flight plans for our intended routing (KIAD-KSLC) with FSBUIILD. If anyone has REALWORLD routes handy, please post.The story has us having to divert to Cheyenne due to volcanic ash from Yellowstone's super-volcano.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

Do all 6 seats have a yoke? ;-)Lee Hetherington, PP-ASEL (KBED)

Yes, yes they do... none of this 6 seats sharing sidesticks...Very funny Lee.NEXT!Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

Hi Daryl,It will usually depend on the company, but at Lufthansa Volcanic ash is a memory item.A few things which should be common to all aircraft is:180

Hi DarylVolcanic AshExit volcanic ash ASAP.Consider a 180 degree turn.AUTOTHROTTLE.........DISCONNECTAUTOTHROTTLE ARM SWITCH...........OFF(Allows thrust levers to remain where manually positioned)THRUST LEVERS (Both)........CLOSEConditions permitting, operate at idle thrust.[Reduces possible engine damage and/or flameout by decreasing EGT)ENGINE START SELECTORS.........FLTRECIRCULATION FAN SWITCHES (Both)........OFF(Increases bleed air extraction to improve engine stall margin by putting packs into high flow)ENGINE ANTI-ICE SWITCHES (Both).........ON(Increases bleed air extraction to improve engine stall margin)WING ANTI-ICE SWITCH...........ON(Increases bleed air extraction to improve engine stall margin)APU (If available)........ONThis is part of the BA QRH for encountering volcanic ash :-)

Thanks Mark & Tom.Very helpful - thought they would be memory items. Thanks for the confirmation.The script is very accurate - 180 degree descending turn. We lose both our engines at cruise altitude and have to restart. Got checklists for those items.Once again, thanks. Will let everyone know hen this thing airs.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

alternative checklist PF Remove seat belt Stand up Remove trousers and pants Bend over and kiss your ash goodbye!!! Kev

Yes I quite agree I mean what's the point of being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamares and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's suncream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day. And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners. And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged ** waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local colour and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Pow ell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres. And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realise they haven't even visited to "All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'. Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'." And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of "unforeseen difficulties", i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing "enterovioform" and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagues by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free "cigarillos" and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on "Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich" and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane...Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

Hi Daryl,Not much volcanic ash here up north and we do not cross volcanoes so often (except in Italy ;).So here is the rundown for 737:1. WARNING: Exit volcanic dust cloud as rapidly as possible.Autothrottle - DISENGAGEDisengage the autothrottle system to prevent it from increasing the enginethrust.2. Throttles (Terrain Permitting) - IDLETerrain permitting, retard throttle to idle to provide additional stall marginand to decrease EGT. Immediately advise ATC of descent, reviewdriftdown charts, if applicable, and determine MEA.3. Start Switches - FLT4. Pack Switches - HIGH5. Wing & Engine Anti-Ice - ONIncreasing bleed air extraction improves engine stall margin.6. APU (If Available) - START7. EGT - MONITORIf engine has flamed out, stalled, or EGT increases beyond limit,accomplish the ENGINE FAILURE / FIRE / SHUTDOWN / SEVERE DAMAGE / SEPARATION checklist or the TWO ENGINE FLAMEOUT checklist as required. Engine may be restarted if needed for safety of flight.If engine fails to start, repeated attempts should be made immediately.Successful start may not be possible until clear of volcanic dust cloud and airspeed and altitude are within the normal relight area.Engines are slow to accelerate at high altitudes. This should not beinterpreted as failure to start.When clear of volcanic dust and engine(s) are restarted, continue normal operation and make a detailed Maintenance log report.

Thanks so much Aleksandar.The b737.uk site was very helpful with checklists and procedures, but it was the DF 737 that actually had the VOLCANIC ASH checklist. LOLI am meeting with the research/science team of the production today to had over some of this material - looks like they are more interested in realism than sensationalism.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg

You are welcome Daryl. Please notfiy us when you will be on show so we can watch closely if you follow the procedure :)Just ask if u need some more information regarding the 737.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagaz...9/volcanic.html

Well, the scenes involving our erstwhile aircraft straying into volcanic ash are in the can (as they say in the movies). The guy sitting in the left seat is one of the noble "grips", readying the "set" for the camera (looking for a spot to hide some lights).Now, guess the aircraft we used... I dare you!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/79318.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/79319.jpgCheck out those fire handles... when did the APU get one? Only in the movies you say? Yep... only in the movies.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/79321.jpgShooting was done in two days - and I requested that they not do ANY CLOSE-UPS of the actual instrumentation (I wonder why I requested that?)and the director seemed to agree. We ended up shooting the engine restart procedures while shrouded in smoke. Good thing too!Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg