Hey,I've noticed that i haven't seen any efis control box for the 767 lower EICAS. I'm talking about the small panel that allows the pilot to display the different system pages on the lower EICAS (engine, fuel, hydraulic etc.). the 777 has the panel. Is it that the 767 doesn't have one, or that PIC doesn't simulate it?

PIC's has 3 settings - the engines, controls and off. There's a switch on the lower part of the panel that allows toggling.

"I'm talking about the small panel that allows the pilot to display the different system pages on the lower EICAS (engine, fuel, hydraulic etc.)."The 767 really doesn't have anything like this for pilot use. However, there is a small pushbutton control panel located at the 1st Observers seat, just behind the F/O, for maintenance displays. The information on them is really not in a format which is particularly friendly to the pilots. Just rows and rows of numbers rather than diagrams... and no handy decoder. They're only supposed to be for engineers' use. You'll find that the displays are locked out after takeoff... up to about 10,000' to prevent the pilots using them at low altitudes. There is an override switch, but the pilots would have trouble finding it :( (It's not in the cockpit).Hope this helps.Cheers.Ian.

Hey,Thanks for the response, but i'd like to know something ... why does boeing think that 767 pilots wil be distracted, while 777 pilots won't be? (because the 777 has the panel)Also, airbus planes (as old as the A310) have the same panel. I guess airbus has more faith in their pilots than boeing does.

>Hey,>>Thanks for the response, but i'd like to know something ...>why does boeing think that 767 pilots wil be distracted, while>777 pilots won't be? (because the 777 has the panel) The 767 was desinged nearly 20 years before the 777. Nothing to do with the pilot's getting distracted. Remember the 757/767 was the 1st Glass Cockpit aircraft Boeing had built.

Also, as Ian already said, those EICAS pages aren`t very "user friendly" as the system pages on the airbusses or the synoptic pages on modern Boeings. I believe the 747 also has special maintenance EICAS pages that pilots usually don't access (they either don't know how to or don't care about 'em). These pages contain info such as battery voltage, detailed control surface deflection angles , amperage etc.I remember trying to access these maintenance pages on the 76 in the air below 10k and only now I understand why it didn't let me see it :-)So where's this override switch?Regards,Mark

I remember trying to access these maintenance pages on the 76>in the air below 10k and only now I understand why it didn't>let me see it :-)Thanks for the reply. BTW, are you a 76 pilot?

Sorry for the slow response, Mark....Left hand "crawlway" of the Main Equipment Centre... if that makes any sense?Cheers.Ian.

now that we are on the subject.I saw a picture of someone else's PIC panel and on their EICAS it had the brake display that tells you the levels of the brakes that you are using..am I the only one without this?

The first version (for FS2000) had the brake temperature display. As PIC's "master aircraft" doesn't have this option fitted, the display was removed.Regards,Mark