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CH seem to have something of a monopoly with their Yoke and I begin to wonder if that's a bad thing in terms of complacency in quality control.I admit I have had bad luck and perhaps I shouldn't be so quick to whinge. My first displayed uncommanded control deflections (both in flight and in Windows calibration utility) and the replacement won't permit full control deflection (like when you do your 'full and free' checks) without the internal tension springs catching something, making 'boing' noises and refusing full travel.What's been your experience - good and bad?I am sure glad CH deliver this product - we'd be the worse without it - but if there is a definate ground swell of quality complaints, I'm all for letting them know. Maybe I've just had a coiuple of Friday afternoon jobs - but I'd be glad to hear your experiences good and bad.These things are no small price, and this community deserves quality.Thanks all.PH

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Overall, I am happy with it, but:1. Seems a bit pricey for the relatively low production quality. There should be enough owners of it now for the price to come down, or the quality to go up.2. I'm sure the USB version started to cause lockups on my machine.This said, I won't go back to a joystick.

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Some calibration issues initially, and the CH Control Manager instructions (?) suck, but apart from that it's real value for the price. I think you may be either unlucky or too demanding. Real Boeings are a lot more money.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/reds.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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I've had mine for about 4 years, and just recently ordered the USB version. Should be arriving on Tuesday. BTW, I ordered it from Flight Sim Central on Thursday, shipped the same day. I've had three e-mails from them with a progress report, etc. Fourty bucks less than from CH directly, and twenty bucks less than the price shown at the Avsim store.A great product, IMO, for the money, and GREAT service from Flight Sim Central.Darrell

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Mine is the Flight Sim Yoke LE (single lever - USB version) and overall, I'm delighted with it.However a while back it started getting a bit noisy particularly at it's limits but I sprayed the central 'core' with WD40 and it got much better. (Any silicon or Teflon based lubricant will work.)Still get the odd spring 'boing' sound occasionally, but it's proved to be very reliable.Toni.:-)

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Well, I have said my opinion on this thing on many occasions.I do not like this thing very much. The feel is really cheap. The ailerons are o.k., but to get a smooth action for the elevators you will need a mountain of grease, and even then it is not exactly smooth. The instructions for the drivers and their website is one of the worst stuff I have ever seen. The pedals are really good value for money though. Nothing wrong with them. Even more surprising that the Yoke is such a bunch of plastics.Having said all that it is still the best there is except for some stuff that is simply too expensive to be taken into consideration of a sane mind ( I will get one of those sooooon :-). But: At least it works. USB installation is not even necessary. And if you made friends with their Control Manager it is very versatile.(THX AGAIN FOR ALL THE HELP DARK!!!!)Alex

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Phil,I gave my opinion of CH Products a couple of days ago in a related thread but since I got a chance here it is: I have had CH Products' yoke and pedals (USB since last year) for many years over several product iterations and I find them of inferior manufacturing quality. The design is geared at cheap production at the expense of any other consideration such as "feeling real" or looking real. It is an overpriced toy, marketed by a company that has offered no significant improvments in design or concept for many years except for the USB interface.Unfortunately they are the only game in town, hopefully not for long.I do not have any "technical" problems with it,(running XP, USB), the thing runs but I have a big issue with the design and the poor manufacturing quality in relation to the price. It amazes me how picky and demanding (and educated) the flight sim user community is about computing performance while putting up with a deficient product like these yokes from CH. The search for reality in a flight simulator seems to know no boundaries when it comes to frame rates or motion fluidity, or models, thanks to a computing arsenal NASA would have envied a few years ago. When it comes to the yoke though, cheap plastic, a few springs and sticking moving parts seem to do the job. In flight simulation, the yoke and rudder are our one and only tool for interactivity. If that is deficient as it is with the CH yoke we might as well just watch TV.Charles

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[http://www.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3cc5d15671f44040.jpg] I have the FS Yoke USB LE and overall, I'm fairly happy with it.The things I do like...It's a yoke.It cost less than $200 CDN.Enough buttons and switches on it.It runs no problem on my machine. Just move it to all the stops before taking off and it's fine. I wish the same could be said for my USB Pro Pedals.The things I don't like...The shaft is plastic.It sticks - Any moron could have figured to put a teflon bushing in there to reduce the friction, instead of the user having to blast in a lubricant.The yoke to shaft connection could have benn beefed up some. I tend to fly some phases of flight with one hand on the yoke and the other on the throttle. The thing flexes a little to much for my comfort.However, you get what you pay for. The yoke on the DASH-8-Q400 cost $60,000 (at least thats what the fella installing them told me and I wouldn't doubt it). Like everything in aircraft, it's expensive.CH says that they're going to make a transport category jet style throttle. I wonder how well they'll pull that off? CF-AOA

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Guys,I love my CH Yoke, but I have to agree with the quality aspect. I feel that it doesn't 'feel' as it should. It's hard to explain but anyone that's ever moved a real flight yoke would probably know what I mean. Regards,Adam Nardone.

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I've been satisfied with every CH product I've owned. My first joystick was a CH Flightstick, which I still have and still works. I got a CH Virtual Pilot Pro back in the FS5 days. I have been using it up until a few months ago when I got the CH Flightsim Yoke USB. I also own a CH F-16 Combat Stick, and Pro Throttle.

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Fred,did you get the new sound file, or did you delete it?Alex

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I like it but mainly for the button layout and how well it clamps onto my desktop. Unfortunately controlling elevators with it is almost impossible, so I control this with one of the rocker swithes by adjust trim incrementally with the rocker switch. I can't see how grease could help--it seems to me it is just overly responsive in the elevator department. I put my old joystick on once and was amazed how easy it was to control elevators.Noel

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I have both the yoke w/ 3 levers and the rudder pedals (USB versions). The rudder pedals are quite sturdy and heavy and IMO, quite good quality. However, I am a little dissapointed at the Yoke's toy like quality. I also hear those rubberbands going boing in there and sometimes, after pulling back or pushing on the yoke and releasing it, it tends to not go back to its original neutral position and I need to adjust it for that. Also, the levers could have been larger to give it a more simulation feel of the real thing. And for a $100, these things are way overpriced. But that's what monopoly does. I don't know why other manufacturers haven't gotten into selling yokes (I know there is someone else that sells a very high quality yoke for $500 or above - but such prices are ridiculous to patronize even if someone could afford them).

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jerrycwo4Thanks to all of you for the good, truth about this product. I have been flying for 4 years with a MS Sidewinder joy stick and have thought many, many times about getting a yoke, but since I'm on auto pilot 98% of the time and reading all of the above, I'm going to continue flying with my stick.... sorry, but I always fly with NO wind.Jerry ;)

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Thank you everyone for your experiences and input.If there had been reports of hardware failures with the units, particularly those purchased more recently, we might have drawn conclusions about build quality. However, beyond general regret about the Yoke's "cheap appearance" there seem no trends towards hardware failures.The fact that many have had long term satisfactory use seems to indicate good durability.I imagine that this unit is a very low volume seller amongst CH's many recreational and industrial control products, and perhaps not high on the development list for further investment. However, I do hope CH revisit the Yoke design, with a view to an upgrade.Finally, I apologise for seeming to "cast aspersions" on the Yoke, perhaps in my irritation with a replacement unit received "dead on arrival." I am glad we have it.jerrycwo4 - as I migrate away from the circuit to VATSIM cross countries using FSNav, autopilot is more appreciated. However, if you were to try a Yoke I don't think you would want to go back to your stick, it definately adds a great deal to my "hands on" simulation experience.Thanks again everyone!PH

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Crap. Yoke sticks and will not return to the same place twice!

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I've had my CH Yoke 'n' pedals for well over 2 years, and must say that I get no BOINGS, is only lubricated with dust, and apart from possibly better or at least updated drivers, being made available, cannot complain, especially as now, the reverse thrust also works on the throttle, with FS2002 and can be more finely calibrated with the use of Pete Dowson's FSUIPC, and it is also used for Formula 1 Racing without putting the blocks in the pedals !!!! It is also only the gameport model with one throttle control .... My main gripe would have to be the lack feel, it won't recentre and never did, no matter what, and have flown real light aircraft, and that it does look cheap for the dollars at just over $500 Australian .... But heck the Saitek joystick hasn't been used since, so it must do something right ....For added realsim, a "Radio Stack", cum A/P and other controls, which operates in 2 Modes, has also been added, being an ACP Compact unit made in Germany, which I purchased in Holland just over 12 months ago, for just on $550 Australian, and is without a doubt the best "Cheapest" add-on after the Yoke 'n' Pedals, and with that the keyboard hardly gets a look in .... Its looks, the knobs and buttons in their feel, is just as cheap, as the yoke and other plastic items, but in fact operates at least 98% of all the aircraft controls that can be used without touching the keyboard or mouse, including the functions of the extra two levers to that of which the USB CH Yoke have on it .... :-xxrotflmaoAs any Aussie knows, anything out here ain't cheap, if it can be found and purchased here, in the first place, but is by far the best grand ( Aussie slang for $1000 ), I've spent since installing the computer and FAR outwieghs the 'puter's reliability, especially for the money !!!!! :-lol"One shouldn't judge a book by its cover", Nor can you expect a Rolls Royce on Volkswagon money !!!!! :-rollUpon enquiries on the ACP Unit, found it cannot be purchased directly from the German Company, which would equate to approx $800 from Australia, and was told it could only be bought through "the company" via its USA Subsiduary, who wanted nearly $1300 Australian, :-erks, But I found it at The Lychvaart Hobby Shop, near Schipol Airport, Holland, while on my RTW trip last year, and it can be found on the web, and be purchased through there if interested, at approximately the equivalent of $550 Aust .... :-sun1 If you wish to see other items on the same subject there, they were also at the same place on display and how one drools :9, but well out of reach of any ordinary person's wallet :'(CheersLowflier .... :-)

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