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Hello,I am a private pilot and a teacher in an elemantary school in California. Recently we were able to get a room for our computer lab and soon, if "gods" approve, we will set it up with some older PII's. Eventually I would like to teach an after school program about the world of flight with strong empahsis on flight simulation. To equip 20-30 computers with Flight Sim 2002 would be to expensive, and FS2002 wouldn't even run on some of them. My idea is to run the FS98 and if you guys and gals have an old copy you would like to donate to a public school that would be great. Also we need joysticks. This idea is still in its infancy, but the infrastructure is there and in order to persuade my Principal that this would be a good after school program I'll need your support. If you would like to doante your old or new working joystick and a legal copy of FS98 please send them to:Haynes Elementary 715 W. Francis Ave.Onatrio, CA 91762Attention: Robert Marianior you can e-mail me at the address robert.mariani@omsd.k12.ca.usThanks in advance.

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an EXCELLENT idea!!!! Being in Australia , I can't realistically help out - even though I do have an old copy of FS98 and an old serial joystick. But good luck with your venture .BTW -- I think you are going to need more than 20-30 -- because once those kids find out about this , half of the school is going to stay behind for the extra "class" !! :)Barry

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Would a copy of FS 2000 be any good, or would it require more computer power than you have available?

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I think the PII wouldn't be enough for FS2000, unless we get new comps soon. (With the budgets today that is highly unlikely). Thanks so much for the offer though.

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Hi Robert,I already gave away my copy of FS98; however, I have a copy of Pro Pilot 99 that has been collecting dust for some time. I would be glad to donate if you could use it. The sim has the ability to do aircraft start up and shut down. It also has a nice variety of GA aircraft. Post a message here and let me know.--T

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Nice idea Robert, if you can keep the kids' interestthrough the long learning period.Peter Sydney Australia

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I haven't used it, but I think the variety of sims will ony enhance the program. I'd love try it. Thank you.Haynes ElementaryAttn: Robert Mariani715 W. Francis Ave.Ontario, CA 91762

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Wow, this is really a great idea. General Aviation is under more pressure than ever from the media and a paranoid public, and education is definitely going to be key in helping to restore people's confidence in flying. What better way to help than to reach out to those impressionable minds and teach them how planes actually fly.I'd suggest contacting the AOPA (www.aopa.org) as well for help in your venture. I'm sure they'd be able to support you in some way.--Guy Elden Jr.PP-ASEL

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GREAT Idea, I have an FS98 and I'll throw in a FS95 and a serial flight yoke. The only problem with the yoke is the throttle knob is broken but you can still use it. I hope I did not throw it out :(I will check this weekend and will send all I have along with how about some flight books and some charts.I can't think of a better way to clear my shelfs.

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Thanks for your support. I am sure we will use it with or without the knob.

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Yes aopa will be one of the people I will contact when I get more definite answers and software. Thanks for the idea!

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Robert Pro Pilot will be one the way come monday.Good Luck with the project.--T

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Hey Rob,I found a copy of FS98, didn't think i had it but "whaalaa" here it is! I dont have the manual that came with it, hope that's not a problem :)Nothing like clearing the shelves and donating to a worthy cause...I'll send it right out.Joe C.aka =Wingnut=

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RobertIs the program a done deal or are you still waiting for approval?David

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Not to be negative, as I think this is a great idea, but I have some thoughts similar to this ..... it sounds as if this is still in the planning stages. Perhaps you should get a "list" of the available resources, how many copies of the sim you will have, sticks, systems, etc etc... present it to your school board, or whomever has to make the decision to allow this venture, then we send the software and hardware. You may end up with a garage full of stuff....What happens to all the stuff if it doesn't get approved? Most of us probably don't care, the shelves are clean, but I would rather have the software being used and not sitting in another box in storage or thrown in the dumpster when there is a possibility of someone else using it, although its obvious that we all have the stuff sitting around useless anyway :)By the way, I have FS98 that I can send.>Robert >>Is the program a done deal or are you still waiting for >approval? >>David

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Hello David,The program is almost a done deal. The program itself is not in question, but the setup of the room is what is being discussed. I am fighting for a permanent copmuter lab with 30 or so desktop stations while the people in administration see this more as "convertible" room that will be used as a "resource" center. Even if my proposal to take some aging PII's out of the classrooms, where they are collecting dust, and set them in this new portable room permanently as a lab fails, this "resource" room will have a cart with 20 refurbished laptop PII's that are intended for student use. So in a sense yes, it will work. But I would like to have desktops, and joysticks, and full blown keyboards which are easier to manipulate for students then the laptops with their LCD screens. I'll have 20 computers for sure, and I have the permission to teach an after school program. The fact is the room has just been carpeted and some furniture (desks and such) is being moved in. On a smaller scale I have done something similar, with 6 G.A.T.E. students a few years ago, and a single copy of FSW95 on one computer. After the theory and some paper planes, we tried to land at Meigs in FSW95, and I also took them to my local airport and my flight school where they actually set in Cessna 152, and were given the tour of some other planes on the line. This program will not target any particular student population (e.g. GATE or At-Risk) but will simply involve anyone who might show the interest in it and is willing to stay after school to learn.I understand your concern and I share it, but be assured that if any copies of FS98 arrive, I will do a program weather on large scale as I intened or a scaled down version. In my line of work I often have to be very flexible with materials and approvals. I found out that getting everything ready and setting it up first, always works better then going through approavals and proposals that are then discussed by people who are rarely in the classroom.Sorry the lengthy reply, but maybe this will explain my situation and my intentions better.Robert

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Hi Robert...thanks for the explanation.. :)You can count on 1 more FS98 package

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I've taken the liberty of posting this thread over on another flight sim board (AGW) in their For Sale/Wanted to Buy column.http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/forumdispla...p?s=&forumid=23I'll look for my old copies of FS software. The old joysticks I have are not in working condition. I already gave away my working ones, sorry. Flight Unlimited version 1 in Windows 95 would be the best simulation for teaching students the ability to control an aircraft with it's hoops in the sky game. It starts with 5 straight and level hoops and works up to aerobatic maneuvers. Having the rings in the sky allows you the ability to see where you are off course similar to MSFS98's instrument approaches with the T's to help allign your flight path. It also allows for getting several people through the hoops in as little as a few seconds each then it resets to go again. Great for having many people trying out a game and not having to wait so long for the reset between students.

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Thanks for spreading the info. I am sure it will help. As far FU, it was a great looking sim when it first came out but considernig it only had a small portion of the world to play with I thought that FS98 would be a better choice aty least when we are incorportaing geography. You comments and support are appreciated.Thank you again.

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Robert: Will send you a few items; it'll probably be next week before you receive them.-GeorgeM at 5B6

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Well since my wife is a teacher, I am working toward my PPL, I have an extra joystick and a copy of FS98 I guess that I will just have to send them to you. It may be a week or so before I can send them but I will get them there just the same. Good luck and please keep us informed on how it is going. Philip

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That would be fine and many, many thanks to you and everyone else who decided to part with their FS98 and old joysticks. I am scheduled to start in January. Thanks again.

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