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US National Landclass Project

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The US National Landclass Project will be initially released at the end of November. This ongoing, constantly evolving project will be tweaked and tuned based on local user input, using the USGS National Land Cover Dataset as a starting point.The US National Landclass Project will be distributed via download from the FSGenesis Web Site, and feature frequent updates, using local end-user reports to fine-tune the coverage. The goal is to produce the most comprehensive and accurate landclass product possible for the continental US, within the constraints of the current FS2002 terrain engine.The US National Landclass Project Beta 1 Preview is now available for free download at http://www.fsgenesis.comThanksJustinFSG

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I had seen some talk of a FSGenesis LandClass file here some time ago. I'm glad to see something about it, I'm defenitely going to be downloading this. Just a question, I haven't gone to the FSGenesis site yet (posted here as soon as I saw this post), but will this product be part of the membership package at FSGenesis?I'll take a look at the website, just a little lazy here, lol.Lobaeux

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This is GREAT news! Does this mean that my home city of Tucson, AZ will actually extend out to where it should in FS? If so, sign me up for this one already!

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HI RyanWell, that's where the end-user input will come in. I'm starting with the National Land Cover Dataset as a starting point.I'll be releasing the initial product sometime around Thanksgiving. Once it's released, I'll have form where you, the local user, can submit a detailed report for further tweaks and tuning. There will be frequent updates incorporating the changes submitted by the local end-users.The local-user input will allow this fine-tuning and the product will eventually evolve into a highly-refined, very accurate, and comprehensive rendition of the United States mainland land cover.I appreciate your enthusiasm!ThanksJustinFSG

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You freak me out.Real mountains where they should be looking like they should and now real cities and fam where they should be.We've come a long way Baby.RonCVA1701

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hmmm, just thought of something. I already have Landclass files for some of the states. Will this over write these or cause any sort of confusion.

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HI Ron,To be honest, I really don't know the perfect answer to that at this point. But since this is/will be comprehensive, coast-to-coast coverage, it will be recommended that any other landclass files you may have installed should probably be removed.The answer to that question will probably be a "cross that bridge when we come to it" situation. I'm just beginning to scratch the surface of this landclass stuff myself, so my in-depth knowledge of all the conflict-nuances is still developing at this point.I'm sure that whatever issues might arise will be solvable, or work-around-able, though.JustinFSG

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I have LandClass from Burkhard Renker installed for the USA. I'll install the demo and let y'all know what happens.Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what.

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Well, nothing blew up when I installed the FSGenesis landclass over Burkhard's. I don't see much difference in the limited time I had before having to move on to some actual work stuff. 8>( I did send Justin a couple screen shots so he could examine any differences. My system is not very happy with screenshot uplaods at the moment and I don't have the time to sort it out.Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what.

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Hi Phil,I just sent you a screenshot. There's a significant difference. I think you were seeing Burkhardt's in both shots. You'll have to rename those files I mentioned in my email to see my stuff, I guess.Justin

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Can any of the Avsim Forum Managers explain why Some users are allowed to Post Messages regarding their Payware Products in a Generald Discussion Area of the Forun - and others have been asked to Post their own Payware Products Messages in the Specially Set up for a Fee Forum.I believe this is very unfair toward those who are respecting the rules - It will be nice to have an explanation from the Managers - regarding this matter - and why we are not all the same over here - Clearly stated few weeks ago - by Avsim Managers - that in this Forum Posting regarding Commercial packets are not allowed.Ray

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Seems like a good question that needs an answer. Probably, Special rules for special people.? Will this entire thread vanish with a note from the management? Locking it is not the way. Bob

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The Managers can make up their own mind, and I can accept whatever their decision.But the announcement is about a FREE beta download.Justin

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Well for one, this is a free download of a work in progress. I'm sure when the payware package is released it will not be discussed here. Justin is just asking for input from people. FSGenesis also affers a lot of free downloads on their site.I see nothing wrong with his post.Thanks Justin for letting us know about the download!http://members.cox.net/pstepanoff/images/OK_c2.gifPete S

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I often wonder.Looks to me as if it is a real line. Will it pass the test of "Would the Free beta been here if I was given the final product away. Fuzzy. It will be a nice enhancement. The "other" has made Illinois much closer to the "past real" Illinois. Like all data, it is limited to the past -- several years in some cases. Makes a difference in growing populations and expansion. Napervillle?We apologize for given our view.You have a nice day and best of luck.BobLearned a long time not to tick-off special people and manager's assistants.

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I installed a landclass file for the Pacific Northwest and it seemed to have quite a drastic frame rate hit. Is this common of all landclass files? My puter is capable of about 20 FPS in the Vancouver area with DreamFleet 734. When I installed landclass, the fps dropped to about 15. Thanks, Adam

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HI Adam,I haven't noticed any frame rate hit from add-on landclass files and in theory at least there should be little or no effect, since landclass is a "replacement" for and not an addition to existing overhead.There may be some performance degradation as a result of your graphics processor having to display more textures, but that's just pure conjecture on my part.I haven't used all the landclass files out there, but my experience so far is that, properly used, add-on landclass shouldn't have a significant impact on performance, given sufficient computing horsepower to begin with.JustinFSG

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The Managers can make up their own mind, and I can accept whatever their decision.That is very true! - and we all do so.But do not forget - all those who have been told not do post news or whaterver messages regarding payware products here - will not like this very much.Ray

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But Ray--again--the message is regarding a FREE product, not a payware product.There will be an enhanced version that will be payware, but the basic betas will provide nationwide coverage as a free download. It is a FREEWARE product, and will always remain a freeware product, with a future enhanced payware version option.This is pretty standard throughout the software industry. There are numerous products, designated as "lite" or some other nomenclature, that are FREEWARE. The end-user then has an option to upgrade to a "pro" or some other nomenclature, version that is not FREE, with extra features, enhancements. options.Again, this is certainly the moderators' call, but I don't understand all the ruckus about an announcement concerning a FREE download.Justin

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Simmers talk here all the time about payware products. Do they work? What's the FPS penalty? Does the developer provide support? It's broke and won't work. And guess what? The developers get on and answer the questions as well.This particular thread is discussing a freeware beta landclass add-on -- nothing more. But the forum amangers will do what they deem appropriate -- when it's appropriate.Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what.

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