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!!!I saw everything over there, but where is the Porter? There's one for d'load and it's free: The FSD Porter. One of the most d'loaded models ever, together with the J-3 Cub by Mr. Medel. BTW the J-3 Cub is a FSD model, too. Mr.Medel was part of the Team at the time of development. Just to let you know, 'cause it probably slipped from the Author attention. ;)

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Had to have been an oversight. The Pilatus Porter is a superb STOL aircraft. It can get into some of the tightest strips or no strip at all. Well, it's almost a 'chopper'! :-lol

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Go to Flightsim.com and do a search for the Porter. You'll find it over there, not here. Note that it was made for FS2000, but like anything else it will work in FS2002 until we can put our hands on the new FSD GMAX Porter. :)Looks like the article needs an update. ;)

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<<<<>>>Yes Sir! It's the most amazing bush plane built IMO. If you can't get in with a Porter you can't get in there with anything. (Except maybe a Helo)Ken

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My humble guess is that no one flies Porters in the western hemisphere, perhaps just parts availability. Plus a "new" bush plane is a dozen or more years old.

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FSD pulled it from AVSIM. It's still around. Try Simviation. I believe it's there.Don

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Back in the days of FS2K, I thought the FSD Porter was the most unique MSFS air. file to ever come along. I could litterly "feel" it's STOL capabilities. Weight, reaction to flaps, and inertia was all there! As to MSFS flight dynamics over the years, I rate the original FSD Porter, and RealAir Simulations SF260 as two of the best air.files ever, when it comes to flight out of the everyday flight envelope. For FS2002, I'm just waiting for the Porter G-max version.L.Adamson

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And don't forget the PC-12. While not an ideal bushplane because of the low wing which can be damaged by flying debris more easily than a high wing, they are in use in Canada in the role (mainly as air ambulance and executive charter) and have good STOL characteristics.

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Hi Fellow Simmers,Yes, surly the Porter is missing over there.ONE MORE A/C I miss id the good old DC-3!!! Isn't it a real bush plan as well?regards,Shay

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"Go to Flightsim.com and do a search for the Porter. You'll find it over there, not here. Note that it was made for FS2000, but like anything else it will work in FS2002 until we can put our hands on the new FSD GMAX Porter."Thank you so much for the Porter link at Flightsim.com! I went and looked after seeing your post. I had actually seen it a few times, but never d/l. It is a sweet aircraft! Awesome 2D panel, what I would expect from FSD, even for FS2000, having several of their aircraft already.Michael http://www.geocities.com/res052cd/cmhbanner.gif

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Yes, you're correct, the FSD Porter was omitted or should I say purposely not included at the request of FSD. Specific members of FSD requested that their Porter be removed from the AVSIM library and specifically requested that I personally remove all FSD aircraft from my harddrive, I of course have complied with that request.The J-3 is a Mr. Medel original FS aircraft that a couple of members of the FSD team (at the time) provided some additional updates for.Steve Cartwright

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Yes, it's a really damn good model. Unfortunately, the Beta Range does not work in FS2002 as it does in FS2000. But it'll work for the new one to come.Be well,

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Thanks 'Bearracing' for taking the time to respond and clear up the muddied waters.Appreciate the info.

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Those things fly everywhere, haha. Bush Flying Unlimited forum has one..but you need the MAAM R4D first.

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>Yes, you're correct, the FSD Porter was omitted or should I >say purposely not included at the request of FSD. News to FSD I'm sure.>Specific members of FSD Wrong. ALL members.>requested that their Porter be removed from >the AVSIM library Wrong. ALL our files, not just the Porter.>and specifically requested that I >personally remove all FSD aircraft from my harddrive, Wrong. Only priveliged Beta files. We requested that after you redistributed to all and sundry some personal correspondence. At that point you lost our trust. >The J-3 is a Mr. Medel original FS aircraft Yes and No. The J3 was an FSD project : the flight model, sounds and panel are by FSD as was the model by a former member of FSD. Just setting the record straight.

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That's odd, I didn't realise that the article was about bush flying via the AvSim library or Bush flying "on my computer".Mmmmmm is this an FSD thing again.Thanks Steve Small for clearing things up "again".Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern Australia

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Hello,I wonder why people from FSD are so arrogant ????Simicro

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Not all of them are. Some of them are of this earth and some are above it. You can figure out who goes where.Don

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Chris,The intent of my "Bush Flying in FS2002" feature was for everyone's enjoyment and also with the intent of everyone being able to download scenery, utilities, and/or aircraft files from the AVSIM library to enhance their individual copy of FS2002. Of the 250+ files I have listed in that article, only about a dozen or so were not available in the AVSIM library and I supplied the link or filename (along with its library location) where needed. During the research for my feature, I simply did not look for the FSD Porter as I was not aware that it was still available in other libraries. Plus you will also notice that my article was related to bush flying in FS2002, so I only listed aircraft that were designed for FS2002, had conversion files available, or I had personally tested and found that they functioned correctly. (As an example, you will notice that I listed the taildragger and tricycle geared FS2000 Maules of Steven Grant's, but I omitted the float version! Why? Because it will not float correctly in FS2002 and I am unaware of any conversion files being available. Considering the complex nature of the airfile in the FSD Porter, I can assume that it possibily would have some issues, though I have no way of knowing one way or another.)There were two key things I was trying to get across with my feature; 1, Everything you need to enjoy bush flying is available as freeware, and 2, 99% of the files needed are available from the AVSIM library. I listed nothing that was shareware or payware.I would also like to note that I am merely a volunteer member of AVSIM and I simply write reviews and feature articles, period. I have no control over the AVSIM library whatsoever nor do I have any say in AVSIM's policies, political beliefs, or anything of that nature. I do know that all files (freeware) from FSD were requested to be removed from the AVSIM library (I did an extended search and it seems that request has/had been complied with) and I personally was asked to remove any FSD files that I may have on my harddrive (at the time it may have been a request for only the beta files I had, but I took it to mean anything from FSD). I removed everything, including any of the FSD FS98 or FS2000 FS aircraft I had at the time.I can not comment on why these actions were taken against AVSIM by the FSD team, specifically because I am not privey to them, but in the situation where I was personally asked to remove the FS aircraft files from my harddrive was merely a misunderstanding that lead to an assumption on my part, which in turn ultimately embarassed a member of the FSD team and I appologized for my error at the time. I will not comment or respond any further on that subject and I consider the matter closed.Steve Cartwright

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