For those of you thinking of changing your video cards to a Geforce Ultra 6800, don't! It has to be the worst card I have ever had the pleasure of using... 1. The FPS are no more than a 5950. (AMD 64 3200)2. The shimmering is terrible, no matter which drivers or settings are used. (66.91 or 66.97)3. The image quality is awful. How on earth Nvidia / Gainward released such a card is totally beyond me, especially when they claim that it is 50% quicker on a like for like system. Best Wishes for a happy Christmas,Chris

That's funny because Tom hardware gives it the best card over all others. As a matter a fact someone posted a snapsjot of the test Tom did wih about 15 cards I think. BTW, is this a pic express or APG?

Chris, I assume you have AGP graphics judging by your processor (Nvidia nForce4 boards with PCI-E where just released) so you must have received a bad graphics card. I would suggest going with a first tier manufactures like Ausus and Giga-Byte and going with a 6800GT instead. The Ultra gives you only a small gain in framerates (especially in Flightsim) and costs at least $200 more.

Thanks Gents, its the AGP version there is no benefit in the PCI express version. But it is intersting to note that at visualflight.co.uk, and flightsim.com, and the Nvidia forums (gurud.com) there are huge number of rather annoyed purchasers. When will Nvidia learn!Best Wishes,Chris

That's funny. According to Tom. At Hong Kong at dusk 1024x768res. 4xAA and 8xAS. The 6800Ultra does 70.3fps while the 5950 only does 29.4fps. It doesn't sound like a crappy card to me. Here's the results if you don't believe me. http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/2..._charts-10.htmlThe PCI-e 6800U blows the 5950 away, especially with SLI.

"The PCI-e 6800U blows the 5950 away, especially with SLI."Not in FS9 it won't. From everything I've been reading FS2004 isn't compatible w/ SLI & as a result you'll actually lose alot of performance when running in SLI mode. Now that said, a single 6800 Ultra should easily run over a 5950 providing the rest of the system is strong enough to back it up.I personally went the X800XT route for it's better D3D performance & this does give it a slight edge over the 6800 series in FS2004. If I played more Open GL games, I may have looked @ the 6800 Ultra instead.Cheers.

here is the graphhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/102470.jpg

My story: Replaced my Radeon 9800 with a PNY 6800GT. Told myself this is the one time I will pay for a video card, ($400, twice my usual limit.) Noticed good image quality but very little frame rate change, UNTIL I slowed my horses down and went through the DriverCleaner process exactly by the book. Step-by-step, including using safe mode when running DriverCleaner and running the cab cleaner option. Using the latest betas from the Nvidia site, the card now screams! I went from 14 fps with the Eaglesoft Citation X to 24 after adding 2xAA and 4X AF! 3DMark 2001SE, the CPU-dependent one, went from 12,700 to 17,150. This on a Barton 2800. K

Nvidia pays Tom's Hardware much more. Therefore, Nvidia cards always win and the customer always loses for believing such nonsense.

Good grief please don't say this. I think I just got that card. Oh boy! Is it really that useless?

I got the BFG 6800 GT for $400 from Best Buy and it blows my old GF4 Ti4400 away,everything works perfectly without problems. Get good manufacture like BFG or Asus, not some cheesy PNY.(the BFG comes over clocked too)