July 11, 200718 yr Apparently AVSIM can't handle square brackets. The line- "To produce secondary views, key <" should read- "key square left bracket". < is incorrect. (to delete a secondary view, key "square right bracket.Sorry AR
July 11, 200718 yr I hope you don't mind I add another issue into the mix here. My biggest concern after having tried everything but TH2G in FS9 and FSX is using multiple monitors in VC.Let's say you have screens setup with multiple views, like LeftCenter - Center - RightCenter. When you look up and down, the angles of the views go askew. I could have my view perfectly lined up looking forward, but as soon as I look down, the instruments that are split out.Imagine take two sheets of paper with the picture on it. Now overlap them so you see half the picture on each sheet. Now, while keeping the top half together, fan out the bottom half. The images no longer line up! This effects looking up or down, though I haven't really tested any of the other 6DOF.TH2G and NVidia's Horizontal span both resolve this issue. It's only with multiple views.
July 11, 200718 yr Personally, I don't run VC across multiple monitors -- I use 2D cockpit view and that makes it very easy to realing during flight. I've altered my fs9.cfg file so that I can pan in 2D view and I've cut the pan rate down from 400 to 100. Now when I use the hat switch to adjust my horizon, it moves much more precisely.But you're right, I have to adjust during flight frequently, but I pretend I'm just making adjustments to the instruments I otherwise would have to make if I were flying for real, but are not present in the sim.Just my two cents.Chuck B. Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
July 11, 200718 yr Hi Zinja- Yes virtual doesn't seem to work well with multi monitors. But I prefer 2D for readability and instant panel access with all popups displayed all the time.There are adjustments you can make in Panel Config to set horizon alignment, allow for placing monitors in an arc, and precisely compensating for width of monitor bezels. These corrections will give a fully aligned 3 monitor image in both roll and pitch. See #1 post in this thread above for info. When you've got it right, multi monitors makes single mon simming look like tunnel vision!(I'm told that the bezel compensation in the new TH2GO can not be tailored to specific bezel widths- can anybody confirm?)Alex Reid
July 11, 200718 yr I can't confirm this particular fact, Alex, but I've been corresponding with them through the "Contact Us" link on their website. If you register and email them, they will get back to you in a few hours.Let us know what you find out, OK?Chuck Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
July 11, 200718 yr Hi Chuck- you mention Panning the view- are you not set up with triple views- LFwd,Fwd,RFwd ? One on each monitor. Then panning is not needed at all! Triple Views or as I call it- Wide Horizon- the only way to fly!!Alex Reid
July 11, 200718 yr BTW, is there any way I can alter my panel.cfg file or fs9.cfg file so that I can zoom in or out increments smaller than 25% when I press the "+" or "-" key? It would make fine tuning my views "on the fly" a lot easier.Thanks in advance.Chuck B. Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
July 11, 200718 yr Hi, Alex! Yes, I'm set up with triple view, but I'm running triple view through WideView on my two systems below, with 3 Flat Panels of different sizes -- one 17 inches straight ahead and 2 15 inchers look 50 degrees right (this one running on the new duo core Dell along with the center view monitor) and then the 50 degrees left view panel running on my eMachines Celeron. WideView alters the panel.cfg file through it's control panel so that all I have to do is enter the 3 appropriate variables, push the button, temporarily load another plane and then immediately reload the plane with the new panel.cfg file all set, and see the results immediately. I've done this on the eMachines' single running permanent left view monitor, and it's permanently set to the correct angle and tilt.But I find it easier to manually adjust the Dell's center and right views by panning and zooming instead of permanently altering all my panel.cfg files -- and after some brief experience I'm actually pretty quick with it.Can you tell me how to adjust the zoom rate in fs9.cfg or panel.cfg (not sure where I would find this.) Flight Simulator X lets you do this by holding the CTRL key when you hit the '+' or '-' key, but my FS2004 doesn't.Thanks, Alex. Great thread! How do we get them to make this thread a sticky?Chuck Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
July 11, 200718 yr Thank you, I will try to use the settings above. Do you know if these settings might help with using Horizontal Span? I'd like to have my right screen looking forward with a view to the left screen. It's not three screens, but the effect is much better than 1 and the fps is very good.
July 11, 200718 yr Zinja- I'd better step back from this query- no personal know how on Horizontal Span- I would be guessing here. Anybody else???If you hit the key "Left Square Bracket" (AVSIM can't print this character) do you get a new View? If so, undock it and drag it to the other monitor. I'm GUESSING you can only do this NOT in Span.If you can do the undock & drag, then using the numeric keypad you can set which view you wish- LFWD is ctrl/num 7, I think. (Check your FS key assignments. Right Square Bracket will delete such a view.)Once you've got the view dragged, you can position/stretch to correspond to the main view. At this point you can use the settings I described previously. Again a caution, when tinkering with any Config file- always be able to backtrack-it's very easy to get confused.Keep at it- simming is like a college education- takes effort but worth it! And yes -2 screens/views are twice as good as a single!! Alex Reid
July 11, 200718 yr Sorry- can't help here. Anyone else? The only time I use Zoom is to set my smaller 17" LCD to Zoom 1.10. This blows up the image so it is approx same scale/proportion as the adjacent 19" CRTs. Then the 3 view images remain in synch in roll & pitch.Interestingly, to retain this Zoom in a Saved Flight, I have to set it at 1.11 -then it saves as 1.10 !! QUIRKS!Alex Reid
July 18, 200718 yr I finally solved this zoom issue by spending $12 on FS Smartview. Quite a time saver.Chuck Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
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