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MD-11 Nose Slam on Landing

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Just now I flew into PHNL with a landing on 4R. Aside from dropping a little lower than I like on the G/S for short final and needing to therefore level out a bit prior to touchdown, everything was fine. All landing items checked and working, green box, ect...Except as soon as my mains hit pavement, the nose slammed down!! #####?? I've landing here before a couple times without incident. Could this be an AFCAD issue or some problem with ground contact in this exact location of the runway. I saw nothing on playback that would have caused it. Weights were good, speed was 163 on final. I have never seen this (I don't think) in months with the MD or years in other add ons.

- Chris

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Do you use active sky? Could be wake turbulence simulation....Stefano

Did you have the autobrakes on max? This causes a sudden decel when the plane lands, making the nose appear to slam down if nothing is done to prevent it. You can help this by holding some back pressure after touching down, if that was in fact the cause...

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Do you use active sky? Could be wake turbulence simulation....Stefano
Wasn't wake turb, all those screwy things have been disabled.

- Chris

Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | Intel Core i9 13900KF | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB | 64GB DDR5 SDRAM | Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling | 1TB & 2TB Samsung Gen 4 SSD  | 1000 Watt Gold PSU |  Windows 11 Pro | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Thrustmaster TCA Captain X Airbus | Asus ROG 38" 4k IPS Monitor (PG38UQ)

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Did you have the autobrakes on max? This causes a sudden decel when the plane lands, making the nose appear to slam down if nothing is done to prevent it. You can help this by holding some back pressure after touching down, if that was in fact the cause...
No, autobrakes were on medium. This was nothing like that. The nose slammed down very hard. It wasn't an FDE/controller problem. The way it hit made it seem like a contact point/AFCAD problem.

- Chris

Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | Intel Core i9 13900KF | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB | 64GB DDR5 SDRAM | Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling | 1TB & 2TB Samsung Gen 4 SSD  | 1000 Watt Gold PSU |  Windows 11 Pro | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Thrustmaster TCA Captain X Airbus | Asus ROG 38" 4k IPS Monitor (PG38UQ)

Asus Maximus VII Hero motherboard | Intel i7 4790k CPU | MSI GTX 970 4 GB video card | Corsair DDR3 2133 32GB SDRAM | Corsair H50 water cooler | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (2) | EVGA 1000 watt PSU - Retired

What PHNL scenery are you using?

Bill Howard

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None, that's just it, although I'm pretty sure my AFCAD is added 3rd party for correct runway usage and frequencies. The odd thing is, I've landing on 4R a few times and this never happened before. I just flew again into SFO and no problems on landing. I'm thinking a fluke, scenery oddity or something. I've had a few odd bounces in taxi around PHNL, so that could be it.FWIW, I never use ILS (only visual aid) or Autoland. I disco AP no later than 2500 AGL and sometimes even higher as long as I have all systems set for landing and things look good for hand flying (e.g., traffic conflicts, poor weather/vis).I don't think I've ever even autolanded the 747, let alone hardly use the LOC button.

- Chris

Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | Intel Core i9 13900KF | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB | 64GB DDR5 SDRAM | Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling | 1TB & 2TB Samsung Gen 4 SSD  | 1000 Watt Gold PSU |  Windows 11 Pro | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Thrustmaster TCA Captain X Airbus | Asus ROG 38" 4k IPS Monitor (PG38UQ)

Asus Maximus VII Hero motherboard | Intel i7 4790k CPU | MSI GTX 970 4 GB video card | Corsair DDR3 2133 32GB SDRAM | Corsair H50 water cooler | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD (2) | EVGA 1000 watt PSU - Retired

Could it be LSAS? "Pitch Attitude Protection and Positive Nose Lowering - Duringtakeoff rotation, LSAS provides Pitch Attitude Protection(PAP) to reduce the possibility of a tail strike. During landing,after spoiler deployment is commanded, LSAS initiatesPositive Nose Lowering (PNL) to assist in transitioning thenose wheel to the runway after main gear touchdown."

None, that's just it, although I'm pretty sure my AFCAD is added 3rd party for correct runway usage and frequencies.
Why not disable the custom AFCAD file and try another landing?

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