I've gone through tutorial and pre-flight/start sequence about 6 times now--I have CH Pro throttles and can't get J41 thottles below FLIGHT IDLE--if I use the mouse they start to move back but bounce back to flight idle. When I press F2 or F1 there is no movement either. Consequently I can't complete start up since I can't put the throttles in a position to achieve LREV and RREV. Condition levers are in taxi. Advice?ThanksRich Perry

I've gone through tutorial and pre-flight/start sequence about 6 times now--I have CH Pro throttles and can't get J41 thottles below FLIGHT IDLE--if I use the mouse they start to move back but bounce back to flight idle. When I press F2 or F1 there is no movement either. Consequently I can't complete start up since I can't put the throttles in a position to achieve LREV and RREV. Condition levers are in taxi. Advice?ThanksRich Perry

Additional info...when I click on the J41 initially after selecting in the FSX create flight menu (where all the aircraft thumbnails are) I get the sound of engines revving...then when I enter the simulation at the startup airport, I also get the sound of engines revving but on external view, no engines are turning...then the sound stops. Probably not related but thought I'd add--bottom line--I'm not starting from a cold/dark setup.

Rich,There was much discussion about flight idle versus ground idle, and how to acheive them using a hardware throttle quadrant. At the end of the day, your start attempts should be succesful if you simply pull your power levers back to the aft stops and leave them there.The bit about seeing the REV CAPs, and then moving the levers forward 3/4" is procedural, and won't prevent you from getting a good start, at least in my experience. At the aft stops, my Saitek throttles only get me halfway between FI and GI. Just enough to get the BETA CAPs, which is apparently good enough.Are you actually cooking the engines? If so, you might want to check the other threads about the Start Latches, as that is by far the most common reason for a failed start.Regards,Nick

Rich,You don't say whether or not you're using FSUIPC. I've found that little tool to be indispensable for tweaking my CH TQ settings to each aircraft, so if you don't have it, I recommend it. It's not inexpensive initially, but when you consider that you'll get free updates on it for the life of FSX, it's a great value.That said, I set the throttles in FSUIPC to have a reverse zone, with the "center" area between slightly aft of the physical detent and slightly forward of the physical detent. That ensures that when I put the throttle levers into the detent, I'm getting the power levers into idle -- be it flight idle or ground idle. With the levers in the detent, the TQ is set for start. (I've gotten in the habit of moving the throttles a bit after load to ensure the sim syncs with them -- if you follow the checklist, then this can happen during the TOCWS test.)There is, unfortunately, no way to use the levers to get far enough into beta to get the props off the start latches before taxi. I have two techniques for that -- the best one is the way it's outlined in the tutorial, where you grab a lever with the mouse and drag it aft into the hash-marked area on the center console. To reset the throttle to ground idle, I move that lever on the CH TQ a SMALL amount FORWARD of the detent, then back to the detent, resyncing the lever. You'll have to play around with this to find the sweet spot that gets you off the start latches without cooking the engine. (If you look at the famous YouTube video, you'll see how carefully the captain in the video comes off the latches.) If you get the verbal confirmation when you do the second engine, you're good. If not, alternate the engines until you get the verbal confirmation.

Rich,You don't say whether or not you're using FSUIPC. I've found that little tool to be indispensable for tweaking my CH TQ settings to each aircraft, so if you don't have it, I recommend it. It's not inexpensive initially, but when you consider that you'll get free updates on it for the life of FSX, it's a great value.That said, I set the throttles in FSUIPC to have a reverse zone, with the "center" area between slightly aft of the physical detent and slightly forward of the physical detent. That ensures that when I put the throttle levers into the detent, I'm getting the power levers into idle -- be it flight idle or ground idle. With the levers in the detent, the TQ is set for start. (I've gotten in the habit of moving the throttles a bit after load to ensure the sim syncs with them -- if you follow the checklist, then this can happen during the TOCWS test.)There is, unfortunately, no way to use the levers to get far enough into beta to get the props off the start latches before taxi. I have two techniques for that -- the best one is the way it's outlined in the tutorial, where you grab a lever with the mouse and drag it aft into the hash-marked area on the center console. To reset the throttle to ground idle, I move that lever on the CH TQ a SMALL amount FORWARD of the detent, then back to the detent, resyncing the lever. You'll have to play around with this to find the sweet spot that gets you off the start latches without cooking the engine. (If you look at the famous YouTube video, you'll see how carefully the captain in the video comes off the latches.) If you get the verbal confirmation when you do the second engine, you're good. If not, alternate the engines until you get the verbal confirmation.

Rich,You don't say whether or not you're using FSUIPC. I've found that little tool to be indispensable for tweaking my CH TQ settings to each aircraft, so if you don't have it, I recommend it. It's not inexpensive initially, but when you consider that you'll get free updates on it for the life of FSX, it's a great value.That said, I set the throttles in FSUIPC to have a reverse zone, with the "center" area between slightly aft of the physical detent and slightly forward of the physical detent. That ensures that when I put the throttle levers into the detent, I'm getting the power levers into idle -- be it flight idle or ground idle. With the levers in the detent, the TQ is set for start. (I've gotten in the habit of moving the throttles a bit after load to ensure the sim syncs with them -- if you follow the checklist, then this can happen during the TOCWS test.)There is, unfortunately, no way to use the levers to get far enough into beta to get the props off the start latches before taxi. I have two techniques for that -- the best one is the way it's outlined in the tutorial, where you grab a lever with the mouse and drag it aft into the hash-marked area on the center console. To reset the throttle to ground idle, I move that lever on the CH TQ a SMALL amount FORWARD of the detent, then back to the detent, resyncing the lever. You'll have to play around with this to find the sweet spot that gets you off the start latches without cooking the engine. (If you look at the famous YouTube video, you'll see how carefully the captain in the video comes off the latches.) If you get the verbal confirmation when you do the second engine, you're good. If not, alternate the engines until you get the verbal confirmation.

Kurt--thanksI've had no luck getting engines to crank without melting.I do have registered FSUIPC but besides reprogramming via buttons/switches, I have no clue how to set the CH Pro Throttles up via FSUIPC. Do I go to AXES ASSIGNMENTS? I've been there and it's greek to me. I went to that tab a little while ago and with throttle full forward I had 14000ish on the raw data and at full stop idle I'm about -13500ish. I don't have detents on the CH Pro Throttle (F-16 Style)...so I'm not sure where "center" would be.I can't get into the hashed area to undo start latches...at best pulling with the mouse I get pulsating into GRND IDLE (LREV and RREV flashing). I just did a recalibration of CH Pro throttles via FSX and made sure Z axis was all the way to the stop...but it has had no effect on J41 throttles. I'm not sure why I can't F1--If I hold F2 long enough I may be able to get it to at least temporarily hit the reverse...so that may work for start latches. I can't get the gust lock to move either. Even though a "hand" appears to indicate an active hotspot when I click either right or left mouse button, or attempt to click and drag, the handle will not move.Also, are you guys getting engine noise when you click on the J41 thumbnail when you initially are in FSX create a flight menu? I've uninstalled PMDG J41 and reinstalled 3 times now with no change. Some bits on my system below.ThanksRich Perryi7 965 Extreme Quad Core (oc'd 3.8Ghz)Nvidia Gtx 285 (2GB GPU) latest drivers + nHancer (I run in DX10 preview)6GB OCZ DDR 3 ultra LL RAMRaptor 10000rpm HDSB X-Fi extremeDell 24"Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bitFSX/FS9, FSUIPC Registered, UTX/GEX/REX 2.0/ ASA, Track IR, CH Pro Throttles

Rich,It's JOYSTICK CALIBRATION that you want. Now I see, though...you're using a single throttle lever, vice a throttle quadrant. My guess is that for a throttle lever without a detent, you'd set up for "No Reverse Area", and map engines 1 & 2 to throttle lever 1.You might also try loading the JS41 by selecting the default Cessna flight and then loading the JS41's tutorial flight. It takes a while to get into the JS41 that way, but it seems to have much better results.

I love your handle. Too bad Alaska Airlines retired those.Anyway...this is what I do for my Saitek X52, which is a single throttle through FSUIPC to get reverse.Mind you...when starting the JS 4100 engines, you must use the mouse to slooooowwwly pull the power levers one at a time into almost full beta to get off the start locks. Otherwise call the fire dept and prepare for an a** chewing!First, select addons from the FS menu bar in sim,then FSUIPC, then joystick calibration like Yoda said, then in the lower right you will see throttle area. Rest the throttles with the reset button. Then move your throttles forward fully then back fully. Then select the set button. You will see a box that says map to four throttles. Tick that box. You will see where it says go to page three. Go to page three by using the menu window just below the tabs in the top part of the FSUIPC The window should say something like 1 of 11 main flight controls. Use the right arrow to get to page three. In the throttles 1 area, set your throttles by pushing your throttles full forward then full aft and selecting the set button. You should see three small windows in that area. The far left one should have a higher number that matches the far left window. The one in the middle will be a smaller number.Your throttles should be set for reverse at this point. Then test your throttles on a plane with reverse to verify.I hope that helps you, otherwise I have just released a lot of hot air into the atmosphere...which is not uncommon for me I guess...LOLLater.