Boeing announced that the first delivery of the 747-8F has been delayed 3 months. It has assumed a $1 billion charge in addition to the $2.5 billion charge announced in August this year."They have so many issues with the 787 that it's taken their eye off the ball elsewhere," said Alex Hamilton from the brokerage Jesup & Lamont.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8293527.stm

Boeing announced that the first delivery of the 747-8F has been delayed 3 months. It has assumed a $1 billion charge in addition to the $2.5 billion charge announced in August this year."They have so many issues with the 787 that it's taken their eye off the ball elsewhere," said Alex Hamilton from the brokerage Jesup & Lamont.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8293527.stm

They should probably get a quote from someone who knows what they are talking about...

They should probably get a quote from someone who knows what they are talking about...

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The development teams are apart on the 787 and the 747-800 with I think it was 10 or 15 engineers working between different airframe programs. They don't really look at the other programs too much since they are working on their own but they do use the other minority members to get ideas from. I just talked to my father about this who happens to be the 747-800 Senior Engineer working on the program.

The development teams are apart on the 787 and the 747-800 with I think it was 10 or 15 engineers working between different airframe programs. They don't really look at the other programs too much since they are working on their own but they do use the other minority members to get ideas from. I just talked to my father about this who happens to be the 747-800 Senior Engineer working on the program.

Interesting but the fact remains the 747-Ff is delayed and Boeing has had to write-off $3.5 billion in the second half of this year. If Boeing can achieve that when its eye is on the ball....

Interesting but the fact remains the 747-Ff is delayed and Boeing has had to write-off $3.5 billion in the second half of this year. If Boeing can achieve that when its eye is on the ball....

True it's not looking too good for Boeing. Here is a little more accurate picture of how it has been described to me.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boei...3_boeing07.html

True it's not looking too good for Boeing. Here is a little more accurate picture of how it has been described to me.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boei...3_boeing07.html

Boeing announced that its commercial airline segment has made a quarterly loss of US$2.8 billion. Jim McNerney, Boeings chairman, is reported as saying that parallel development of the 787 and 747-8 had been "a bridge too far".

It's the outsourcing that does it.. in a regular product you don't outsource from the get go.. you finish your R&D first then you outsource at the very minimum. Both products suffer from this...

It's the outsourcing that does it.. in a regular product you don't outsource from the get go.. you finish your R&D first then you outsource at the very minimum. Both products suffer from this...

Exactly.Russia, Japan, Russia, UK, France, and Italy are all major players in these aircraft from design to production of parts. Even though technology and transportation have made the world smaller it still is VERY difficult to conduct an efficient production of anything this way. In the past few weeks my father has gone to meetings in 15 states and two different countries. Where as 10 years ago they would be going between Everett and Renton for meetings which would only take an hour and a half to drive instead of the day or two to get to the UK or Russia engineering teams. It is a huge waste of time and effort just transporting teams everywhere.The only place outsourcing looks good is to the marketing team, which has had a little too strong of a hand as of late.