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There seems to be major piracy going on somewhere with FS2004. In South Africa, there is an outlet selling FS2004 for R149.00 (about $15.00 or

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Either that, or we in Europe are just being royally ripped -off!

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>>Either that, or we in Europe are just being royally ripped>-off!According to my bank's international currency converter, that would make a copy of FS2004 worth $29.75 Australian dollars, when the retail price in Australia is actually expected to be about $110.00. So I'm not sure what to think, other than perhaps South African gamers get a great deal on computer games :-hmmm I can't even buy a new audio CD for $29.75!If you notice, it says they only supply to South Africa, which perhaps suggests that country has some sort of special deal going. It looks like nearly all their new releases are selling at 149 Rand.

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Hi Erich,considering that every single item they sell goes for 149 Rand, I would put my bets on a software glitch, like what happened to United about a year or so ago, where for a few hours every single flight sold via their website for $1 or $10 - they ended up honouring all tickets. So my suggestion would be 'Go for it!'Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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I would, except I'm in the UK and have mine on pre-order with Amazon.co.uk. Hope it arrives soon :-)RegardsErich

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In alot of countries there is widespread and many times not even concealed sales of pirated software.I've been to a couple of Asian countries that actually had pirated software STORES in a mall!! Sold the stuff for about

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>Insane the government is too corrupt to do>something about it.Maybe not. Without knowing the laws in the country it would be unfair to label them with a blanket statement like that. Another country may not be under any obligation to honor the laws of yours. For example. I live in the USA where marijuana is illegal but it is legal to use it in Holland. If I were to take your stance I would then have to assume that Holland has a corrupt government because they don

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International copyright laws are a different matter. Here the label definetly applies. Dick

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Actually, it IS illegal in the Netherlands but the police are so understaffed that it's considered not worth going after.They're making more money writing out parking tickets and drinking coffee while the automated radar/camera records speeding violations.I DO expect there is corruption here, but it's not extremely widespread.

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Hi,is it really illegal? are you sure? to my knowledge, it has been depenalized some time ago, but it is somewhat regulated in the sense production has to be notified to the governement (for the sake of controling quality), and consumption is only in "Coffee shops" and "home". At least, from what I heard and read when being in France and Holland.

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You are correct, it is illegal to "traffic" but not to possess for your own consumption as long as it's under a certain weight. I'm not sure what that is exactly.It certainly isn't illegal otherwise there wouldn't be so many "coffee shops" blatently selling it. It has been de-criminalised whatever that means precisely.Anough of that subject, now back to flying!RegardsTimZaandamHollandhttp://www.cambridgeflyingclub.com/images/timavatar2.jpg

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Well my comment about corrupt government (or parts of it wether beeing police and other agencies) applies. They are time and time again beeing told to do something about it and they do, but after a week it pops up again.Surely many people have seen the tv pictures of a steamroller running over tons of CD's and whatnot in certain Asian countries. But its only a show for the tv sadly.Its not just for software, its for clothes, VCD's you name it.Personally I dont care much for the smaller fish, its the large scale production places, whole factories, that should be clamped down on.

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Hi Tim,>It has been de-criminalised whatever that means precisely.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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Well the ZA rand is weak but not that weak! I cant understand why it is so cheap... And I didnt see masses of copied games in SA like you get in many parts of the world, where games just dont get released officially because of the huge amounts of piracy..

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>>Insane the government is too corrupt to do>>something about it.>>Maybe not. Without knowing the laws in the country it would be>unfair to label them with a blanket statement like that. >Another country may not be under any obligation to honor the>laws of yours. For example. I live in the USA where marijuana>is illegal but it is legal to use it in Holland. If I were to>take your stance I would then have to assume that Holland has>a corrupt government because they don

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Correct. The law is there and if someone who is arrested for something else is found to have softdrugs on him that will be taken into consideration and he will be charged for it.But normally people will not get arrested for having less than 5 (five) grams of softdrugs or less than 3 (three) (in other words no more than 2 (two)) Cannabis plants.

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FWIW -- I seem to recall a number of postings on the FS newsgroups a few months after FS2002 came out where the poster complained that all of a sudden, when they tried to run FS2002, it gave a message saying the time limit had expired and it would not run...period.Oddly enough, these were also in SA.Like they say....if looks too good to be true....it probably is.Cal

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Jeroen,Same situation with the South African Traffic Police...Speed Trap Cameras to generate revenue.... Parking wardens zealously writing out parking tickets.....but South Africa DOES act against software piracy. Two days ago a HUGE consignment of pirated DVDs was seized at Johannesburg International Airport...the second in so many weeks.

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As if you do not get pirated software, CDs and DVD in the USA, Australia, Netherlands, UK etc etc etc ... you could fly today to almost any country in the world and without any problem get drugs, stolen goods, pirated software and movies - maybe we should blame ourselves for this because every nation deserves the government they have - we put them there, we keep them in power, we vote for them again and when we do point fingers, let us be aware of the 9 fingers pointing back at us.My drop in the pot

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Excellent news that.Here they do act when they find something but there is no real system to it.Passengers coming in with a fake Guchi handbag are fined and have the goods confiscated (that's easy to do I guess) but I doubt they do systematic searches of shipping containers (maybe they do but only ones originating in known hotspots, if they do it's never given public attention and of course is easy to get around by routing circuitiously).Woudln't matter anyhow as this country is one of the main European centers for the production of pirated software CDs (they make the masters here, have them reproduced in Eastern Europe and sold in Russia as well as all over Europe) against which hardly anything is being done.

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Good day all,Cyber Games is a HUGE piracy network. The SAP (South African Police) just dont bother too do anything about it. You can get any software from them. I wish MS would do something about them.Henk HugoShackleton Projectwww.shackletonproject.co.za

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Thought so, especially seeing the message about "condensed manuals".And they're still shipping 767PIC which went out of production by Wilco months ago...

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It's amazing. Dont he software companies have any recourse here? The SAP are completely overstretched with more serious crimes, so I can well imaging that software piracy is way on the bottom of the priority list.Henk - how are those Shaks doing?Erich

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The Shacks are coming on fine. We are doing a MK2 now as well... esp for you RAF boys

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I am also wondering with these "pre release date" copies if there is something fishy going on.The reason I mention it-is most of the "problems" I have read from people's posts are some of the same "problems" I had while beta testing. Since I got my gold I have seen not one of these problems. Coincidence?Please-I am not accusing the end user in any way-I am just wondering if there is a big batch of illegal betas making the rounds pre release-perhaps even being sold by legit dealers who also don't realize this.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/Geofdog2.jpg

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