I hate to be a bug finder, but found a issue (again) Was at about 1500 feet when I cut the engine for an emergency landing, mixture was on idle and went to restart the engiene by switching the key to "start" when I started to spin out of control and stall. Guessing this would need a patch.

That kind of depends, doesn't it? Lack of speed and proper trim would induce that as well? Unless this flight model is really out of sorts with in-flight starts regarding torque and whatnot...

I hate to be a bug finder, but found a issue (again) Was at about 1500 feet when I cut the engine for an emergency landing, mixture was on idle and went to restart the engiene by switching the key to "start" when I started to spin out of control and stall. Guessing this would need a patch.

Did your prop stop turning? Typically, until you are sure you can't restart, you want to get that pitch to fine, or at least keep your speed up to keep that prop rotating. Then all you do is make sure your gas is on and your mixture full rich, then advance the throttle slowly from idle and hope she catches. If you suspect a fuel flow problem, switch on the Aux Fuel Pump (about the only time you use that on the 185 except briefly to prime the engine when starting on the ground). Now, before everyone roars back here and says you need to get the prop to full coarse to get the best glide distance, you'd be correct. However, trying to air start an engine with the prop already moving is infinitely easier than after the prop has stopped.Should the airplane 'spin' when hitting the starter? No, probably not. That said, I've never had to do an air start with the prop stopped (have a few times with the prop already spinning) so I can't say definitively. That may be a bug, but I'm not sure it should be as high on Carenado's list as some other things to be honest (like aircraft jumping when starting on the ground).

Aidan,Did you spin to the left? If so, this might be related to the startup issue that makes some people's 185's jump when starting on the ground.

Im at 1000feet, cut mixture at 90knots maintaing level flight and goes nuts. Also doesn't matter if the prop is 100% or idle.

Im at 1000feet, cut mixture at 90knots maintaing level flight and goes nuts. Also doesn't matter if the prop is 100% or idle.

OK, but is it only when you hit the starter, or does it start spinning just with the prop spinning?

OK, but is it only when you hit the starter, or does it start spinning just with the prop spinning?

The aircraft, nose goes up and spining like crazy. Similar to the Helis in FS.

The aircraft, nose goes up and spining like crazy. Similar to the Helis in FS.

That's curious. I wonder why it doesn't do that then when you simply come back to idle power on descent? You are probably going to have to hit Carenado with that one and see what they say. Sorry I can't help you more on that one.

I tried duplicating this problem this afternoon and couldn't do it. I went to idle cutoff on the mixture and all I got was a windmilling prop. As soon as I gave it fuel again, it fired right up, with no loss of control.It would help to know exactly what you're doing.

I tried duplicating this problem this afternoon and couldn't do it. I went to idle cutoff on the mixture and all I got was a windmilling prop. As soon as I gave it fuel again, it fired right up, with no loss of control.It would help to know exactly what you're doing.

Ok, so I cant be accurate :SFlying Level > Cut Mixture (AND LEAVE IT OFF) > Turn the starter switch to start (without adding fuel) and it spins crazy.

Ok, so I cant be accurate :SFlying Level > Cut Mixture (AND LEAVE IT OFF) > Turn the starter switch to start (without adding fuel) and it spins crazy.

Yeah, this sounds like torque. You notice when you start the engine when on the ground that the aircraft lurches a bit? It's likely that, except now in the air, there is no 'ground' to counteract the torque forces. It's not accurate (in the air that is), but it may be a limitation of the sim as not that many aircraft in FS model the torque effect on start up. The 185 has a high compression engine and it's got 300 horses, so the torque is significant. I'm not sure there is anything that can be done about that other than to dampen the engine torque down, which would degrade the aircraft in another area.Now, may I ask, if the prop is spinning, why are you engaging the starter? On the real thing, you'll kill the starter motor doing that :( . As long as that prop is spinning, you have a 'starter' (of sorts) engaged and using the engine starter isn't going to help. In fact, it may stop the prop or kill the engine entirely. Procedure is (following an engine failure), throttle back to idle, check fuel is on BOTH, Mixture to full rich, feed in throttle until the engine starts. If it doesn't start, retard the throttle again, turn on the AUX Fuel Pump and then start feeding in the throttle again. If it still doesn't catch, after a reasonable time (and 'reasonable' is altitude dependent at this point), then it's Prop-FULL FINE, Mixture-IDLE CUTOFF, Fuel Selector-OFF, Aux Fuel Pump-OFF, Mags-OFF, Radio-MAYDAY on 121.5 giving position and altitude, then Master-OFF. While doing all that, look for a place to set her down. That's about all you can do I'm afraid. Hope that helps.

Ok, so I cant be accurate :SFlying Level > Cut Mixture (AND LEAVE IT OFF) > Turn the starter switch to start (without adding fuel) and it spins crazy.

And just to throw my two cents in after BeaverDriver's expert commentary -- why would you crank the starter with the mixture in cutoff? The engine won't run that way, and if you're in the air, why crank the engine when you're not trying to start it? You're wasting altitude, and as BeaverDriver points out, if the prop is spinning, you're only going to succeed in eating the starter motor.

I know you don't do that, im not a complete idiot. But still, some noob would probably do that and wonder what happened, so really a fix is needed.

I know you don't do that, im not a complete idiot. But still, some noob would probably do that and wonder what happened, so really a fix is needed.

Lighten up! Nobody is calling you an idiot. And please, define a 'noob'. Unless you are a RW 185 driver, you'd be a 'noob' compared with one who is. Compared with someone brand new to simming, you aren't.Insofar as a fix goes, I doubt you'll get much of a hearing on that one. It's pretty rare that folks here actually practice forced landings (and kudos to them if they do), so this is outside the bounds of normal flight simming. Also, I'm not sure we'd want to fix that anyway because doing such a thing as hitting the starter while the prop is spinning is going to break the airplane anyway, so really to fix it means we are substituting one break for another. I'm not sure that spending time to fix something that isn't really broken is a good plan. I'd rather see Carenado work on the seaplane and other versions of the 185 at this point :( .

Yeah I guess, C185 w/ Tundra around FTX PNW. Will be alot of landings to explore ;) Noob - Beginner. What I meant was somebody who bought this as their first fs addon etc.