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All,I've put up a screenshot gallery for all to post screens of missing or incomplete bridges you've found. Visit:http://idle.thehueys.com/bridgesIf you have screens you'd like to include, simply click the [add photos] link on the top right.My hope is to have a repository of images that may help MS in fixing our lost/broken bridges.Thanks,Jeremy

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Jeremy,How many bridges do you think there are in the world? And do you really think they all could be in the scenery? Perhaps you are only talking about the USA, but even then, I think there are too many to depict them all.When I compare FS2004 with FS2002 and fly along the river Rhine (Germany), there are quite some more bridges now than in FS2002, but by far not all. Jozef http://www.dse.nl/~joker32/pictures/signature.jpg

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Perhaps so, but they were in fs2002, and if they were in 2002, why aren't they in 2004? Don't get me wrong, I am overly happy with the sim, ATC, weather, landclass, GPS... I just want the bridges fixed.idle

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I have to agree with Jeremy. If they were in 2002 why couldn't they have been included in 2004? I know there is a debate about this and there obviously seem to be two sides :) I also understand the new method for bridges (IE autogen objects), but I wish they had still included the major bridges that were already existing in 2002. Nobody expects that ALL bridges around the world to be modeled but I don't think it is too much to expect the big ones (ie well-known) to exist, especially when they did exist in 2002. In any case, they are gone and we can't change that, regardless of the outcome of this debate. All we can hope is that talented scenery designers look at this debate and perhaps the above mentioned gallery and decide to create the bridges. My vote is for the Coronado Bridge in San Diego. The bay just looks empty without it!

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Sadly the Tappan Zee Bridge north of NYC is gone as well.

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>Don't get me wrong, I am overly happy with the sim, ATC, weather, landclass, GPS... I just want the bridges fixed.You should focus more in the AIRPORTS, that's where you should land and fly from/to. :-lol :-lol Bridges missing is a minor issue, much more important things to appreciate and enjoy in FS2004.Carlos.

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>Bridges missing is a minor issue, much more important things>to appreciate and enjoy in FS2004.>>Carlos.Not for a VFR flyer. Bridges are pretty important. But I do agree, like I said originally, there's much to be happy about.idle

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Jozef, I am going to boot up FS2002 and see if the Memphis, TN USA bridge is there. It is not in FS2004. The old railroad bridge is there, but not the big newer highway bridge, it should be right by the pyramid.Rhett

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I agree that many are missing or I have not found a way to turn them on. That was one of the first thing I noticed while buzzing around St. Louis Missoure. None of the downtown bridges are there and they were all present in FS2002.

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The StoreBaelt bridge in Denmark, one of the biggest suspension bridges of the world is missing!

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As mentioned in a post a few days ago-many of the old bridges were from old code (pre2000) (I would expect fraaammmmeeeratees would be one reason they are gone).From few days ago:If any old timers like me remember the mid 80's-airports were hand drawn and each placed individually. Therefore-to get an add on the the few included airports of fs at the time-one paid the same amount of $ as the sim to get an individual US state-like Michigan. One got a crude runway that didn't always match up-and we were thrilled at the time.Fs2000 improved on this by having accurate, world wide airports using Jepp data. In a few places where the data was in error you might get a misplaced runway, or wrong ils freq. etc-but it gave simmers world wide access to mostly very accurate world wide airports. No more hand drawn-and greater accuracy for a wider area.In the same way-the bridges in fs2004 are different.Pre FS 2004 bridges were a mix of scenery types: custom objects (such as those made in Gmax), and specialty scenery code (mostly pre FS 2000 stuff).In fs2004 those old style bridges are no more. MS replaced a fair number of these old style bridges, but not all.They added a new autogenlike type: autobridge. Autobridge places one of a random set of bridge types at all intersections of vector road data and water polygons. If there is no road crossing water there will be no bridge.These are generic bridges and are not meant to represent the bridge that's there in real life.A new way of doing business-and like with anything new there will be some problems. Ultimately though-this is the future, as now you will find bridges almost where ever they occur-not just where someone had time to "hand draw" one. I would expect this also improves frame rates. I would expect you will find a greater representation of worldwide bridges wherever they occur (not just major urban areas where someone hand drew one). However, this seems to be at the expense of some of the more famous ones.I am sure these major missing bridges will be gradually replaced, and can still be gmax replaced anyway by end usershttp://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/Geofdog2.jpg

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So in a nutshell, MS decided to make bridges an autogen item. In doing so they did a poor job with. You can say that the airports, weather, lighting, whatever are great. I agree completely. However, they missed the mark big time with the bridges. To some it matters, to others it doesn't but they still missed it with the bridges.

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Well I guess one can view it in many ways.The bridges are in an evolutionary stage now. There are now more worldwide representations of all bridges at the expense of the old hand drawn famous ones-which probably caused problems of performance with the new code of fs2004. It would seem reasonable that redoing all these old famous bridges by hand (some who were being reused from pre 2000) was just not possible in this time cycle.I don't view it as a "poor job" but a choice for the gradual evolution of a product. In any case I am sure it will not be long before replacement bridges appear.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/Geofdog2.jpg

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Both the Great Belt bridge (that was present in FS2002) AND the one between Denmark to Sweden is missing. Thats very dissapointing :(

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Geoff, I totally agree! Some of the old bridges were an eye-sore and will not be missed....but I hope that someone in the Tampa Bay region is already mapping out what it will take to add back the missing causeways!

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Bridges - The whole Tampa area is a giant step backwards. Miami, around the cruise ship mecca is even worse with many road, bridge, and land placement errors.The bridges across Tampa Bay (in 2002)were very nice, and even lit at night. Now they do not exist. Major roads just end in alot of places, and this may be part of the problem. I'm suprised... after two years.Roads were a problem that at least one MS team manager acknowledged in a public forum were a shortcoming in 2002 !!!Looks like the "Clouds Gang" bought more beer. :-beerchugTo comply with Avsim's STRONG policy of being "fair and balanced" (to steal a phrase), there are a lot of nice improvements, however.Bob (Lecanto, Fl)

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OMG!!!! Check out "I know where all the missing bridges are ! ! ! ! ! ! "That's hillarious!Other than the bridge not looking like what it should look like, MS did a halfway decent job on my local area of Alexandria, LA. The railroad bridge across the river was even there.Although it took me some moments to figure out that the faded brown lines going across the textures were actually *railroads* and not dirt roads. :-P If MS can make nicely detailed bridges, couldn't they do the same with roads? Kinda disappointing to see this cool railroad track underneath me and then to find that it goes to blah at the end of the bridge.Kenneth

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Looks like the I-5 and I-205 bridges are missing across the Columbia River in Portland, OR. But there is a non-existant bridge across the Columbia by the Troutdale airport (KTTD). I'm at work right now, I'll post screenies later today.

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I havent thought of flying there yet, but I am afraid to see what flying down to the keys from Miami looks like!?? If the missing bridge theory applies there then it will look like a major hurricane hit the keys.I'm at work on lunch right now and cannot access FS until I get home. Wonder if anyone has it handy to check it out? FS2002 had bridges all the way down. And no one can tell me that missing all those bridges in FS04 is any improvement over 02? Yah I guess bridges are for VFR but I tend to remember bridges in FS 3 ?! It just seems this so called "improvement" list of autogen bridges is shorter than the list of missing ones no?Don't mean to rant about bridges so much, its just a bridge :) and believe me the list of GOOD things keeps coming. So this is something that can be fixed, unlike the annoying way fs2002 aircraft started and revved up like a lawnmower, and they have seemed to fix this is FS2004 great job!

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I do most of my flying in the Pacific NW, about 75% VFR, and those bridges are very important. The paper mill in Camas, WA is there; so flying the Mill visual into KPDX is pretty easy, but it would be nice if the bridges were there. Haven't done a lot of flying in FS9 yet, been pretty busy (argh). Going to get the C182 out this evening and see where else bridges that I use are missing.This may be a show-stopper for me until it can be resolved.

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JeremyYou wrote: "If you have screens you'd like to include, simply click the link on the top right."I have posted a few pictures in your screenshot gallery of the Runcorn Bridge (near EGGP Liverpool, UK) as it is in real, in FS2002 and in FS2004. Jozef http://www.dse.nl/~joker32/pictures/signature.jpg

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>Clicking on that link presents me with a login screen where I>need to have a user name and password. I cannot get passed>that screen.>I have a few pictures of the Runcorn Bridge (near EGGP>Liverpool, UK) as it is in real, in FS2002 and in FS2004.Sorry Jozef,Actually go into the album, once inside, on the top right is an [add photo] link. The link your're clicking is the login link on the main page. Sorry for the confusion.idle

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