TinMouse 2 Specific Manual/Tutorial Flt?

[Scott Miller 12]

Does anyone know of a manual/tutorial written specifically for the TinMouse 737-200? I just completed a grueling 4 hour flight (KONT to KSEA) that shouldn't have taken much more than half that! This was partly due to the fact that I spend about a half hour circling over KONT trying to figure out how to get the A/P to engage. I finally figured out that the A/P Aileron/Elevator Axis paddles have to be engaged before the A/P itself will engage! To make matters worse, I also discovered as I was making my approach to KSEA that FSNavigator is NOT compatible with the TinMouse (though it is still useful so long as you don't engage it!). It made the throttle unworkable which forced me to attempt a landing way to fast. It took several failed attempts before it dawned on me to reload the aircraft. A written manual explaining how to fly the TinMouse and how the instrument panels worked would have made for a far easier flight! The document that comes with with the base TinMouse package does an outstanding job of describing the gauges, instruments, and switches on the main, overhead, and radio panels but was pretty much useless in describing how to USE the panels while flying the TinMouse!I did look for a You-Tube clip that would that would help out but the ones I found were of such poor quality it was nearly impossible to tell which instrument or switch was being operated or the clip wasn't in English (or both)!Anyway, if someone should steer me to a written manual/tutorial flight and/or a You-Tube clip that is actually watchable (preferably in English, too!) I'd appreciate it. The alternative, so far, is strictly for the birds!

[MrSkyGuy 0]

Scott, you'll want to have a general idea of how to fly an aircraft of this size without tools such as FS Navigator to fully understand how it all works together. FSnav is a great tool for flight planning, but I'd advise you to check out Ernie Alston's FMC Gauge pack or vasFMC for navigation.For starters, the TMII has two autopilot "modes," each controlled with the two paddles (AILERON and ELEVATOR) you were referring to. When engaged, the aircraft maintains the "attitude" that the aircraft was in when the paddles were moved forward. When the AILERON mode is engaged, you can also engage the HDG SEL switch which allows the crew to change heading through the HDG BUG.NOTE: The Tinmouse II does NOT have an autothrottle! Using FSnav to manipulate the airspeed works, but it's a far cry from flying the TMII if the computer is doing all the work. Read up on the PDCS (Docs folder of the TMII download), as it will tell you through EPR bugs precisely where to set your throttle based on engine type, temperature, altitude, etc. The aircraft will maintain airspeed very smoothly through manual throttle adjustments.Use FS Navigator to plan your flightplan, but don't use it to fly your plane.. where's the fun in that? :(

[simbio 56]

I would like to advice to follow this video that's really help.You can also follow some 727 tutorial there are plenty on internet.

That's an aircraft to fly Have a safe fly :(

[Scott Miller 12]

Hey, thanks for the pointers! I had, just before posting my request for a TM2 manual/tutorial, already checked out Ernie Alston's PMC Gauge pack on SimMarket. I was looking for an ISG Honeywell XLSGNS FMS mentioned in the TinMouse panel doc as well as the Reality Wx500 weather radar. I was looking to get just the XLSGNS but Ernie Alston's FMS packet is an outstanding deal considering what all you get for less than $30US! The Reality Wx500 also goes for slightly less than $25US so I'll be getting it as well...I was aware that the TM2 doesn't have an autothrottle (I didn't realize I'd said this, I apologize if I misspoke). I was well aware, too, that controlling the plane's airspeed and heading can be done via manual throttle adjustments and the HDG bug, repectively. What I'm really looking for is a manual on is the TM2's A/P. Compared to the MCP later 737s are equipped with the TM2's A/P is rather crude and confusing to say the least!What's the fun in using FSNav to fly the plane? Well, for one thing, it permits you to take your hands off the yoke once in a while and take a break just like an actual FMS or an A/P does. In much the same way, it allows you to take in the scenery once in a while rather than having to spend the entire flight with your eyes glued to the instrument panel (not that frequent instrument scanning isn't necessary or important. It is of course!). Not much fun in doing that either!At any rate, I really do appreciate the input! Thanks again!

[Scott Miller 12]

I would like to advice to follow this video that's really help.You can also follow some 727 tutorial there are plenty on internet.

That's an aircraft to fly Have a safe fly :(

Thank you for directing me to these outstanding videos! They're certainly a step in the right direction. I bookmarked all thress as I'll definitely need to view them numerous times, the rapid fire exchange between the Captain and FO were rather difficult to follow at times. I'd do it any case as the videos are simply fascinating to watch!

[pwafer 1]

Hi Scott,I'm successfully using FSNavigator for LNAV with the Tinmouse. I've got an FSNav datafile set up with fuel usage, descent rate, etc, and use it for flightplanning, fuel planning etc. My default is to disable FSNav aircraft speed control. Works very well.Regards, Philip M. Wafer

Does anyone know of a manual/tutorial written specifically for the TinMouse 737-200? I just completed a grueling 4 hour flight (KONT to KSEA) that shouldn't have taken much more than half that! This was partly due to the fact that I spend about a half hour circling over KONT trying to figure out how to get the A/P to engage. I finally figured out that the A/P Aileron/Elevator Axis paddles have to be engaged before the A/P itself will engage! To make matters worse, I also discovered as I was making my approach to KSEA that FSNavigator is NOT compatible with the TinMouse (though it is still useful so long as you don't engage it!). It made the throttle unworkable which forced me to attempt a landing way to fast. It took several failed attempts before it dawned on me to reload the aircraft. A written manual explaining how to fly the TinMouse and how the instrument panels worked would have made for a far easier flight! The document that comes with with the base TinMouse package does an outstanding job of describing the gauges, instruments, and switches on the main, overhead, and radio panels but was pretty much useless in describing how to USE the panels while flying the TinMouse!I did look for a You-Tube clip that would that would help out but the ones I found were of such poor quality it was nearly impossible to tell which instrument or switch was being operated or the clip wasn't in English (or both)!Anyway, if someone should steer me to a written manual/tutorial flight and/or a You-Tube clip that is actually watchable (preferably in English, too!) I'd appreciate it. The alternative, so far, is strictly for the birds!

[Scott Miller 12]

Hi Scott,I'm successfully using FSNavigator for LNAV with the Tinmouse. I've got an FSNav datafile set up with fuel usage, descent rate, etc, and use it for flightplanning, fuel planning etc. My default is to disable FSNav aircraft speed control. Works very well.Regards, Philip M. Wafer

Hi, PhilipThanks for the tip. Actually, the TinMouse worked quite well with FSNavigator other than the problem of the throttle control locking up on me (this has happened before, but fortunately with only 2 or 3 other aircraft as I recall). I'll try disabling the speed control, too.BTW, Have you experienced any problems setting the flaps on the TinMouse? I can't use either the F5 or F8 keyboard commands. When I try to use either the flaps start to move but immediately reverse themselves and return to their previous positions. The same problem occurs if I try to set the flaps via my CH USB Yoke. The F6/F7 keyboard commands seem to work...Scott

[Bob Scott 7,755]

Hi, PhilipThanks for the tip. Actually, the TinMouse worked quite well with FSNavigator other than the problem of the throttle control locking up on me (this has happened before, but fortunately with only 2 or 3 other aircraft as I recall). I'll try disabling the speed control, too.BTW, Have you experienced any problems setting the flaps on the TinMouse? I can't use either the F5 or F8 keyboard commands. When I try to use either the flaps start to move but immediately reverse themselves and return to their previous positions. The same problem occurs if I try to set the flaps via my CH USB Yoke. The F6/F7 keyboard commands seem to work...Scott

There's a document titled AUTOFLT.PDF included in the docs that explains operation of the Sperry 77 A/P. It's not your father's autopilot...it's your GRANDfather's autopilot. The basic idea is that roll and pitch axes are engaged separately and independently, and are set via control wheel steering inputs.The flap controls are hard coded to the F6/F7 keys, as explained in the included readme (and can also be activated by mouse control of the flap handle on the center quad, or with hidden clickspots located over the face of the flap gauge itself). You can enable flap control with other keys and/or buttons by mapping the appropriate FSUIPC offset values to them, also as explained in the readme.RegardsBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

[Scott Miller 12]

There's a document titled AUTOFLT.PDF included in the docs that explains operation of the Sperry 77 A/P. It's not your father's autopilot...it's your GRANDfather's autopilot. The basic idea is that roll and pitch axes are engaged separately and independently, and are set via control wheel steering inputs.The flap controls are hard coded to the F6/F7 keys, as explained in the included readme (and can also be activated by mouse control of the flap handle on the center quad, or with hidden clickspots located over the face of the flap gauge itself). You can enable flap control with other keys and/or buttons by mapping the appropriate FSUIPC offset values to them, also as explained in the readme.RegardsBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

Thanks, Bob. I'll take a look at the AUTOFLT.PDF file....

[Scott Miller 12]

There's a document titled AUTOFLT.PDF included in the docs that explains operation of the Sperry 77 A/P. It's not your father's autopilot...it's your GRANDfather's autopilot. The basic idea is that roll and pitch axes are engaged separately and independently, and are set via control wheel steering inputs.The flap controls are hard coded to the F6/F7 keys, as explained in the included readme (and can also be activated by mouse control of the flap handle on the center quad, or with hidden clickspots located over the face of the flap gauge itself). You can enable flap control with other keys and/or buttons by mapping the appropriate FSUIPC offset values to them, also as explained in the readme.RegardsBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO

Bob, where is that AUTOFLT.PDF file again? I just looked in the tinmouse_ii_v1.25 file and couldn't locate it...Scott

[pwafer 1]

Hi Scott,Look for 732autoflight.zip by David Vega here on AVSIM.Regards,Philip M. Wafer

Bob, where is that AUTOFLT.PDF file again? I just looked in the tinmouse_ii_v1.25 file and couldn't locate it...Scott

[Scott Miller 12]

Hi Scott,Look for 732autoflight.zip by David Vega here on AVSIM.Regards,Philip M. Wafer

Got it! Thanks, Philip! Just what I was looking for!