No'mally ah' dont try and find fault but dese two is plum un'splainable t'me. De fust one be de fact dat da damn fuel selecto's do nodin' cuz' de plane drains de fuel fum all dree tanks. Whut be dat all about? Why go dru de trouble in makin' fuel selecto's knobs when ya' kin't select whut tanks t'suck fuel fum. De second be de gyro-drift. Man! Fo' some reason yo' back down compass be afected by gryo drift along wid de HSI where ya' change yo' haidin' however, when ya' adplum fo' gyro drift it only adplum de second compass but not yo' HSI. It plum duznt seem likes dats how its supose t'wo'k t'me. Is dere any chance dat dese two items kin be fixed widout MS co'rectin' whut dey overlooked? Anoda' din' ah' noticed in de VC cockpit be dey cut ya' no smokin' and seat belt switches but dey is fo' show even dough dey easy could uh been made t'flip. Jes hang loose, brud.NP

Me thinksa Jar Jar comsa too closa dem engines and zappa de brainsa :)

Na its more like the fact that no matter what I write or how I write no one cares to reply so who cares. The DC-3 has a fuel and gyro problem that almost caused me to crash. I went to switch to Aux fuel and when getting low in the mains and found that there was low fuel there. That was my reserve fuel for the flight and I had est by reading somewhere that the DC-3 burns 80 gals per hour. Since I was landing on a short field at high alt I wanted just enough fuel with 30 mins (40 gals) on reserve like the FAR says under VFR conditions. Didnt work out that way and I landed on fumes. I dont fly using auto pilot but do fly with gyro drift enabled and noticed that the HSI is a worthless gauge used that way.NP

HEY NathanThe faa should be informed about you dude.we dont need drunks likeyou flying around in our airspace!!

I just did a test and my result were flying at 500MSL with 35inches at 2350 rpm full rich, wings clean and gear up in no wind and 29.92 inches the fuel burn was 135 gals total removed from the two mains and the aux in one hour. If there was no fuel removed from the aux during that hour it would of been a total of 90 gals burned. Where I read the a/c fuel burn was 80 gals per hour take in the fact that I was running full rich is it more likely that I would get an extra 10 gals of fuel burn rich with no pull from the aux or I would get 55 gal extra of fuel burn with the full rich. My guess is that the aux tank drains at the same rate as fuel burn but is not being burned and the default a/c does burn close to 80 gals per hour of fuel if you take in to fact the the fuel drained in the aux is not being burned but lost.NP

<<<>>What a curious thing to say. People reply when they have answers, Nathan. I haven't noticed any lack of response to your posts, anyway. I was going to suggest you poke your nose into the forum at www.dc3airways.com and see what's hot to trot there; you'll find plenty of posts on fuel burn and default DC-3 behaviour. But don't go there with that attitude, bro!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

No when i have questions yes I get replys but when I make comments post those are the ones that slip. I guess since I dont troll there my post like other who post comments not trolling slide as well so once in awhile I like to change my dialect when I'm not asking something. Not Jar Jar and not drunk just want to have fun with a post.I just did my second and last test and withthe same conditions I put the fuel selector on Aux for both engines and leaned the mix. This time I got a fuel burn of 114 gals per hour but it all came out of the Aux tank and not from all three. So I would say for those who care that the DC-3 has a fuel burn of closer to 115 gals per hour instead of 80 which is what I read (somewhere) and if you want to do tank management burn your aux fuel first that way you know what you have left.Now I will put what I just said in Jive, Redneck, Cockney, Elmer FUdd, and Pig Latin as so I get my message out :)No when ah' have quesshuns yeah man I dig replys but when ah' make comments post dose is de ones dat slip. Jes hang loose, brud. ah' guess since ah' dont troll dere mah' post likes oda' who post comments not trollin' slide as well so's once in awhile ah' likes t'change mah' dialect when I'm not ax'in' sump'n. Not Jar Jar and not drunk plum wanna gots fun wid some post. Man! I plum dun did mah' second and last test and widde same condishuns ah' put da damn fuel selecto' on Aux fo' bod engines and leaned da damn mix. Slap mah fro! Dis time ah' gots some fuel burn uh 114 gals puh' hour but it all came out uh de Aux tank and not fum all dree. So's I would say fo' dose who care dat da damn DC-3 gots a fuel burn uh closa' to 115 gals puh' hour instead uh 80 which be whut ah' read (somewhere) and if ya' wanna do tank management burn yo' aux fuel fust dat way ya' know whut ya' gots left. Man!---------------------------------------No when i haf quesshuns yessuh ah git replys but when ah make comments post them is th' ones thet slip. ah guess on account o' ah dont troll thar mah post like other who post comments not trollin' slide as fine so once in awhile ah like t'change mah dialeck when ah's not axin' sumpin. Not Jar Jar an' not drunk jest be hankerin' t'have fun wif a post. ah jest did mah second an' last tess an' wifth' same corndishuns ah put th' fuel selecko' on Aux fo' both ingines an' leaned th' mix. This hyar time ah got a fuel burn of 114 gals per hour but it all came outta th' Aux tank an' not fum all three. So ah w'd say fo' them who care thet th' DC-3 has a fuel burn of closer t'115 gals per hour instead of 80 which is whut ah read (somewhar) an' eff'n yer hankerin' t'do tank management burn yer aux fuel fust thet way yo' knows whut yo' haf lef'.-----------------------------------------No wen i 'ave questions yes I cop replys but wen I make comments post them are the bloomin' ones that slip. I guess since I dont troll there me post like uvver 'oo post comments not trollin' slide as well so once in orhile I like ter change me dialect wen I'm bloody well not askin' sumfink. Not Jar Jar and not drunk just want ter have fun wiv a post. I just did me second and last test and wivthe same conditions I put the fuel selector on Aux for boff engines and leaned the mix. This time I got a fuel burn of 114 gals per 'our but it all came out of the bleedin' Aux tank and not from all free. So I would say for them 'oo care that the DC-3 'as a fuel burn of closer ter 115 gals per 'our instead of 80 wich is wot I read (somewhere) and if yer want ter do tank management burn yor aux fuel first that way yer know wot yer 'ave left.-----------------------------------------Onay enwhay iyay avehay uestionsqay yesay Iyay etgay eplysray utbay enwhay Iyay akemay ommentscay ostpay osethay areyay ethay onesyay atthay ipslay. Iyay uessgay incesay Iyay ontday olltray erethay ymay ostpay ikelay otheryay owhay ostpay ommentscay otnay ollingtray ideslay asyay ellway osay onceyay inyay awhileyay Iyay ikelay otay angechay ymay ialectday enwhay I'myay otnay askingyay omethingsay. Otnay Arjay Arjay andyay otnay unkdray ustjay antway otay avehay unfay ithway ayay ostpay. Iyay ustjay idday ymay econdsay andyay astlay esttay andyay iththeway amesay onditionscay Iyay utpay ethay uelfay electorsay onyay Auxyay orfay othbay enginesyay andyay eanedlay ethay ixmay. Isthay imetay Iyay otgay ayay uelfay urnbay ofyay 114 alsgay erpay ourhay utbay ityay allyay amecay outyay ofyay ethay Auxyay anktay andyay otnay omfray allyay eethray. Osay Iyay ouldway aysay orfay osethay owhay arecay atthay ethay dC-ay3 ashay ayay uelfay urnbay ofyay oserclay otay 115 alsgay erpay ourhay insteadyay ofyay 80 ichwhay isyay atwhay Iyay eadray (omewheresay) andyay ifyay youay antway otay oday anktay anagementmay urnbay youray auxyay uelfay irstfay atthay ayway youay owknay atwhay youay avehay eftlay.

NathanDo you have a lot of extra time in your life? :-)

Hi Nathan:I asked the DC-3 guru, Trevor Moreson about your numbers on your test flight and I also gave him some numbers I got when I performed a similar fuel consumption test, he replied ::~~~Here is the correct fule burn numbers...DC-3 Fuel Usage, Both Engines combined:Take Off - 310 gallons per hourInitial Climb - 245 gallons per hourNormal Climb - 107 to 125 gallons per hourCruise - 90 gallons per hour ~~~Trev, besides being a flight simmer also flys a DC-3 in the real world. His Web site is Regards,Don Schaaf

So, I wonder if Nathon is taking into consideration the other factors. Seems like he is just taking the distance divided by the cruise rate. Or are your test starting at X alt, and immediately going into cruise attitude?

I what did was take off in Vero Beach, FL and climbed to 500 feet head out over the ocean. Once I got the power settings set and put on auto pilot I topped of the tanks and then flew for an hour or at a 32X rate so it only took a few minutes. The way I've always seen it the extra burn in climb is not used in desending so climb and desending kinda averages out but its cruise that you spend most time in so I was more interested in cruise fuel burn. I was actually first using Trevors config file and maybe thats why my fuel burn was way off from what I thought but the fact that my gripe was that when the fuel selectors are on mains it also draws from the aux should be fixed. On a side noted I had a great time flying the historical DC-3 Frontier Airlines flights from Denver to Salt Lake City. There were some great sights and the pilotage was equally as fun. I have a hard time believing that an actual airline would have a schedule like that because it only gave anywhere between 15-4 mins for turn time and with the modified config file I was running behind so I pushed the RPM and Hg up to the edge of the green. (I was able to reach 161 KIAS in my test with the default config file but with the modified config file I was at best getting 130-140 KIAS cruise at that alt during the flights). I really got a liken to the DC-3 and wont fly it again til LAX on my USA tour. For now it back to the 172.NP

http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/NPnot as much extra time as these guys :)

-"but the fact that my gripe was that when the fuel selectors are on mains it also draws from the aux should be fixed.-"Try this, turn on tool tips and bring up the throttle panel (Shift+4), move your mouse over each engines selector switch and see what it reads. If it shows Left Fuel Tank Selector (All) and Right Fuel Tank Selector (All) you will get the aux. draw. To change this, switch each selector to another position and then back and you should get a reading of Left Fuel Tank Selector (Left) and Right Fuel Tank Selector (Right) and it should only draw from those tanks and not the aux. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/40059.jpgKurt M

Kurt your a mad man :) You saved my belief in MS and the beta testers. If thats what needs to be done then shame on me. My only explaination is the fact that I have the panel in the botttom right and since that is a very long tool tip not all of it shows cutting off the most important part. Cudos to you Kurt for pointing that out. You da man!Now about that Gyro Drift problem...NPCan we get someone in here to change the title of the origanl post from 2 bugs to 1 please :)

Weeba needba moreba postba's likeba yourbas. Toot funny! :-lol