I think the answer(s) to the original question(s) are --- Given absolutely no other alternative most of us would have a go.Someone back up this thread said something like " its better to die trying than die doing nothing"As to the likelihood of success(For definition of success see below), I remember the first time(real life ) I flew an AA-1 after about 100 hrs on nothing but Cessna 150/172/182s.Just the change from High wing to low wing made the landing seem exceedingly difficult and I was very thankful for the instructor being there.Imagine the jump from C172(real or Sim ) to a real 767 probably in less than ideal conditions.I wouldn't bet on success.Dave"Any Landing you walk away from is a good landing""There are old pilots and there are bold pilots.There are no old bold pilots."

omg! i have been waiting for some fs freak to ask this.. i dare you to ask any real pilot this same question and they would laugh in your face - when i was doing a run from kpwk to michigan with my cfi during his active working duty with a falcon 900ex , I can tell you right now that what they do in the cockpit is hard work which does not exist in FS.. good luck and even if this situation did arise i am sure the airplane would be shot down when atc finds out some computer person is in control of aircraft :)

I have not seen any comments on whether an aircraft can be flown and landed via a ground connection. The technology is there today and they have already tested this for a "pilotless" future (not that we would go there today). Going to start a new thread on this subject. Should be interesting.

The technology is their, but the demand isn't. I can tell you that anyone who is training to be a pilot or is a pilot would just give up their current possition to just fly from the ground while the passengers just sit their without a pilot. I can see how this would be beneficial in the long run if an emergency were to occur. But there are several problems. First of all it'd cost an extrodinary amount to design it, then it would never be used as aircraft are constantly going through checks as we all know-hence check lsits and walk arounds-. So in conclusion, I'd rather waste my tax dollars on military spending then the FAA designing some useless program. but that's just my opinion."... AND I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!"[b/]

that and lets admit, who the hell is comfortable having someone SAFE on the ground flying a plane.. for all we know he can be half awake, lolly gaggin, and doin whatever we do when we fly in fs... i mean, if i were a pilot i would not want this because then what is the point of being a pilot or the love of aviation. thats why this lil snippet i picked up made me laugh...You know, airbus has three crew members now in all cockpits. They consist of:-Captain-First Officer...-German Shephard (sp?)And by now you are thinking, ##### is a dog doing in the cockpit... well thats easy.. hes there just in case the pilots try to touch anything

Hey tero,rest assured, atc would not make you squawk 7700, at least not in Europe, i know some of the guys and they all say that 7700 is only used by planes not in touch with any station(e.g. VFR planes equipped with transponder crossing through class-F or G airspace on the FSS freq.)I've heard alot that setting the squawk 7700 is not part of the recall checks in case of an emergency because the only thing it does when you're in controlled airspace is increase your workload, and you'd better use it to recover the situation.And also Tero, i understand your opinion about the 'shooting down issue' and i surely agree with you but i wouldn't doubt the possibility of such a thing actually happening, everything is so f*cked up and tensed lately)Then here's my view on landing an airliner:imho i wouldn't be able to, unless i understand how the autoflight system works. I don't think i'd have something 'planned in advance' but i'd simply do my best...

obk,i'm confused by your talks here...what's the point ?1) Read "Basic Flying Skills" by Trevor Thoman FS pilot knows the usage of ailerons, etc in a very basic way. They may not have the theory(ATPL) about what happens if one of the ailerons should lock out but then again that's not the situation being discussed.2) Get the Several-Hundred page REAL WORLD 767/757 Cockpit Study Guide...Read itthe procedures we use may not be 100% correct but it shouldn't pose a big threat. And the only thing we need to know will most probably be told over by radio...3) Next time you visit an MD-11 sim, lock out the INSTRUCTOR.agree but put him in radio contact. And if the instructor watches and doesn't do a thing, isn't that the same as no instructor at all?Now try......you might find your replies to bit a little more...different.imho a 767 should really not be the biggest problem for a 767PIC driver who actually reads out on alot of situations.Face it obk, you might have that ATPL which means you know how to fly a complex biplane at least, but i guess if FS was not present in your life even you wouldn't be able to.the ATPL does not really matter imho, it would only aid to comprehend everything happening; irl, the person doing the action in the pit would just be the hands of the instructor on the ground.And i am ONLY talking about this situation as it's also my opinion that weather factors could make it impossible for the most fervent 767PIC driver to put down the 767 irl, and you with your ATPL would have the knowledge to what's behind everything happening would have a heap more chance in that case.I only fly gliders and does that put me in the position to say i can land an airliner? no!, all i can say is that my chances will be significantly greater because of my experience as a gliderpilot.(same applies to you)

"Lets have a raise of hands- who has flown the MSFS C-172 , then a REAL C-172... "you are 100% correct about MSFS vs real life flight dynamics butI fly gliders as much as possible and have about 40hours logged now(and i experienced that flying solo does take a bit more 'guts' then i thought it would)I along some General aviation planes, i also flew in a C152, and i believe in myself to say i can land that sucker ON the runway because:1) i have experience flying and estimating distances and altitudes required etc etc2) i can always check the flight characteristics briefly in the Cessna 1523) the engine may be the only problem but then again it's just the same as my speedbrakes in my jet but then reversed and with parameters4) i am not expected to make a target landing on that runway at all, if i land and stop the plane prior to the end of the runway, i'm happy and so is the resT.5) landing the plane a bit to fast never harms, we always know that a good visual cue would be 10 knots above the green arc with full flaps and the rest doesn't matter.imho, put me in it and let me try..., i wouldn't have any fear since it's exactly the same as landing a monoplace glider for the first time: totally out of the blue(though a bit of experience on a 'similar' typegreetz

Hi, I think that if the plane was still on autopilot and you had someone on the ground to talk you through on how to set it up for autoland then anyone could do it. If you had to fly it then you would probably become a screaming fast peice of medal or a brick on approach. But say you did have it lined up for the runway and had it all set up for landing and at the right speed following the ILS, you would probably still slam it an the runway. I say this because of the wheel to eye distance. Think about your flare point of a c172 and now think about how high your perspective view would be in an airliner. You would slam it on before you were even thinking of flaring or you would flare too high with this in mind and stall onto the runway. For instance I flew navajos for a lone time and when I moved up to the twin otter I was very surprised on the difference in the wheel to eye height and how much it was to get used to in the flare. At first I keeped wanting to flare late because I was use to the attitude and distance above ground in the navajo. Am I saying it is impossible, no but it would be very unlikely if it wasn't on autopilot.

Pretty funny thread. Im am but a 1000hr CFI and I know the chances of me landing a large jet on my first try would be pretty slim.For those of you with simulator only experience that think you have magical flight powers... I have had 3 people (students) who wanted to take a stab at flying in a real aircraft. On the intro flight (the very first time in an aircraft) each person requested that they do everything (based on MSFS time) and that I only step in if it is a safety issue or if they might damage the aircraft. Within reason I would allow this.Each person did a dozen or more things that would have killed us had I not intervened (and dozens of things that were incorrect). None could even come close to flying a stabilized approach, much less land the aircraft (nor can most flight students until they have learned sufficent skills in the aircraft). All this in either a 172SP or and Archer III which are just about the slowest and simplest aircraft in the world to fly.Now could you possibly follow instructions from the ground and setup the autopilot to fly an approach in good conditions and crash land with a chance of survival. Sure. Though anyone with no flight sim time could also do the same.

I agree Acadia - I fly gliders in the real world and a transition from one to the other takes many hours to acclimatise to, let alone master. In a stricken airliner you'd have an hour or two at the most during which you'd be contending with managing the autopilot, monitoring the systems and performing an approach.In IMC you wouldn't stand a chance. ILS approaches take many hours of patient training in FS (and I doubt any non-real-world flyer could execture on perfectly!) and even with the APR mode on autopilot you'd likely make a fatal error on the way.In VMC rather than making for an airport where there is a large concentration of people and property I'd aim to land on heathland or desert or dunes - many airliners in recent history have successfully (albeit forcedly) made landings even in woods (SAS DC-9(?) crash in 1980s) and even the DC-8 that crashed in Oregon due to fuel starvation led to the loss of a minimum of occupants.However poor control technique at an airport would lead to coming off the runway, going into trees, houses, aircraft, terminals...much less to hit on open ground.

"You know, airbus has three crew members now in all cockpits. They consist of:-Captain-First Officer...-German Shephard (sp?)And by now you are thinking, ##### is a dog doing in the cockpit... well thats easy.. hes there just in case the pilots try to touch anything"LOL!!! All I gotta say is if anyone would be able to change the scenario of an emergency.. I'd want you to put the real flight crew back in biz.. Fact of the matter is, if you're on final and you're autopilot failed and your in bad weather and you can't divert. You're gonna be exhausted 3miles out from landing.. You can be the most fit guy, but its the mental portion that kills ya.. I'd like to have someone fly any big plane they choose, put their yoke or whatever to least reactive and try to land it. It'll be hard, you'll have to think of what to do.. the decrease activeness is to simulate how hard the movement of a real (non-plasi-bus) reacts, except 777."... AND I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!"[b/]

Wowsers! :-lol A lot of responses... First off, I'd know about 1% of what you should do, and about 0.5% of how to do it. So would many of you. FS is a fun game, it may be called a simulator, but if you knew how to fly a MD88 because of Flight Simulator, why isn't it MSFS(if thats what you have) FAA approved? Simple, because there isn't enough detail. However, on my first pilot lesson, I knew what was going on. I landed, took off, and flew a stable approach by myself. So it is possible to fly a simple 152, on a simple approach, BUT just forget the MD88... you need to be type rated for it to stand a decent chance.:-jumpyhttp://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg------------------Kenneth WeikTWVA395 / [email protected]

Hi allI was Checking out the cockpit of a real 737-400 recently..I couldn't see the "Pause" button anywhere ??Or Reset flight button!I think if the simulator was that good, it would be banned when you consider the problems in the world at the moment.. Yes in a absolute Emergency situation, knowledge of the basic controls and function would be useful, but lets not kid ourselves... and consider this, was your first ever landing in the sim in a heavy jet perfect ? as this one would have to be !!!On another note:Just yesterday I witnessed a young 16 year old girl having a pair of 2" Nail clippers confiscated at Security as they had a 1.5" nail file on them.. Yet in duty free and on board you can still buy bottles of spirits ?? What do you feel is more likely to be used as a weapon ?The worlds gone mad!! STU

Alot of emphasis has been put on the mental effects it will have. Alot of people say they would be scared and maybe be so but our body has simple survival tecniques if we were ever in a near death experience our bodies want to do everything they can to get out of that situation, its human nature. When we come into contact with near death situations our heart races and adrenaline starts flowing and time seems to go into slow motion. This i feel is a very important point its human nature to not want to die so the body is going to do everything it can to save you and of these things it does is to make it feel like time slows down so you have more time to think what your doing and get yourself out of the situation. No one isnt going to do everything in there power to stay alive and this is what could save you in such a situation.