Fuel planning

[jimble 0]

Not really a Radar contact question so i apologize in advance, i wonder if i could tap into your experience about fuel planning. Ok you don't need to simply fill the tanks to 100% because the plane will use fuel to carry the excess fuel, so you need to take into account distance, wind direction etc, but things happen along the way such as a holding pattern and go arounds You still need healthy fuel tanks upon landing. I made a flight from Little Rock to DFW, missed my initial approach due to wind, went around, coming in the second time, RC told me to go around again, but feared i would run out of fuel over the city of Dallas How is this handled in the real world, and what advice would you give regarding fuel planning Thanks in advance..

[ubersu 78]

Not really a Radar contact question so i apologize in advance, i wonder if i could tap into your experience about fuel planning. Ok you don't need to simply fill the tanks to 100% because the plane will use fuel to carry the excess fuel, so you need to take into account distance, wind direction etc, but things happen along the way such as a holding pattern and go arounds You still need healthy fuel tanks upon landing. I made a flight from Little Rock to DFW, missed my initial approach due to wind, went around, coming in the second time, RC told me to go around again, but feared i would run out of fuel over the city of Dallas How is this handled in the real world, and what advice would you give regarding fuel planning Thanks in advance..

In the real world you declare an emergency - at least one flight from Mexico/South America (forget which...) did not and ended up wreckage on the ground. Fuel planning depends on a lot of variables, but you must land and pull up to the gate with at least 45 minutes worth on board.DJ

[ronzie 21]

Here is an on-line FAA list of manuals available. Look at the index or table of contents of two instrument ones, the AIM, and others.http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/Here's a list of the manual links available: * Advanced Avionics Handbook (PDF) * Aeronautical Information Manual * Air Quality Handbook * Aviation Instructor's Handbook * Banner Tow Operations (PDF) * Instrument Flying Handbook * Instrument Procedures Handbook * International Flight Information Manual * Pilot Safety Brochures * Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge * Plane Sense - General Aviation Information (PDF) * Risk Management Handbook (PDF) * Safety Risk Management * Student Pilot Guide (PDF)

[OldFlyboy 30]

An aircraft has a set of performance charts that include fuel consumption graphs for your flight conditions. Once the flight plan is completed using the current/predicted meteorological info, the fuel calculations can be made. You are correct about loading to 100%: It will definitely degrade performance and you will use even more fuel. Anyhow, for the KC-97, our engineer loaded enough fuel to arrive at our destination or our alternate and be on the ground with 800lbs per engine in the tanks. And it was all done with those charts and graphs in the manual.Fuel calculation adds still more realism to flight simulation, especially when you have to use RC to either divert or declare an emergency. It is sure nice having Michelle or Mike to help when it happens.:( <----- looking for a big field just in case.

[ronzie 21]

The carrying amount of reserve fuel depends on a number of rules including forecast weather at destination and at an alternate. Worst case you board enough fuel to get to your destination plus another 45 minutes worth plus additional fuel to an alternate and maybe some reserve for the alternate as well.There are fuel planning facilties built into some flight planners which may connect to winds aloft from an add-on weather application.I use FSBuild payware which interfaces to Active Sky (6.5 for me). It also allows for figuring taxi fuel plus discretionary fuel, both based on time. It contains many aircraft performance profiles and instructions on how to build your own.We can no longer attach zips or pdf files in this forum so here's a poorly formatted paste of a KMSP to KMDW flight with a B738 with the fuel boarded in bold:FSBUILD FLIGHT PLANFLT REL IFR KMSP-12L/KMDW-13C MACH LRC A/C B737-700 W/ CFM56-7B24FUEL TIME CORR TOGWT LDGWT AVG W/CTAXI 000500 0020 . . . . 123943 119330 P018DEST KMDW 004613 0051 . . . . ELEV. 620 FTRESV 003422 0045 . . . .ALTN 001197 0015 . . . . ALTN KORD DIST 12HOLD 002430 0030 . . . .EXTRA 002281 0030 . . . . ZFW 110000 PAYLOAD 027000TTL AT TO 013943 0252 . . . . DIST 0380REQD 014443 0312 . . . . ETDCLB BIAS 0.0% CRZ BIAS 0.0% DSC BIAS 0.0%DEP BIAS 0 MIN 0 DIST 0 FUEL, ARR BIAS 0 MIN 0 FUELUKN1 DBQ CVA MOTIF3/0051M/H FL WIND ATCTO NM AWY M/C TAS G/S ZT ACTME ETA ATA ACBO ABO REM AREMN4437.8/W9310.9 171 CLB 292012 MSPFGT 115.70 015 UKN1 169 324 330 00/02 00/02 .../... 0005/... 0133/...N4421.4/W9250.4 136 CLB 311012 MSPSHUZE 021 UKN1 136 324 335 00/03 00/06 .../... 0013/... 0126/...N4341.5/W9201.6 142 CLB 247026 MSPTOC 030 UKN1 138 365 374 00/05 00/11 .../... 0023/... 0116/...N4316.8/W9132.2 145 270 247060 MSPUKN 116.60 018 UKN1 138 446 462 00/02 00/14 .../... 0024/... 0114/...N4224.0/W9042.5 151 270 247060 CHIDBQ 115.80 064 UKN1 143 446 461 00/08 00/22 .../... 0031/... 0108/...N4142.5/W9028.9 174 270 254062 CHICVA 113.80 043 DCT 166 446 445 00/05 00/28 .../... 0035/... 0103/...N4115.9/W8945.7 137 270 254062 CHICVA42 042 MOTIF3 130 446 476 00/05 00/33 .../... 0039/... 0099/...N4109.5/W8935.2 134 270 256048 CHIBDF 114.70 0010 MOTIF3 129 446 475 00/01 00/34 .../... 0040/... 0098/...N4111.6/W8902.1 087 270 256048 CHITOD 025 MOTIF3 086 447 495 00/03 00/37 .../... 0042/... 0096/...N4113.7/W8830.0 088 DSC 259051 CHIMOTIF 024 MOTIF3 087 286 311 00/04 00/42 .../... 0043/... 0095/...N4128.1/W8821.7 020 DSC 257038 CHIMINOK 016 MOTIF3 026 311 333 00/02 00/45 .../... 0044/... 0094/...N4132.7/W8819.1 018 DSC 259026 CHIJOT 112.30 004 MOTIF3 022 311 324 00/00 00/46 .../... 0044/... 0094/...N4147.1/W8745.1 059 DSC 259026 CHIKMDW 030 MOTIF3 061 311 335 00/05 00/51 .../... 0046/... 0093/...

[Kevin_Cusack 0]

I just noticed this thread about fuel planning. I am trying to get FsMeteo v8 and FsBuild 2.3.2 to work together. I realize that this is a Radar Contact forum, but I haven't found many topics on other threads that address this issue. If anyone has this combo working, let me know and we can take the disussion off this thread where it prbably doesn't belong.

[ronzie 21]

I suggest you register (free) and log in to the FSBuild support forum. Search to see if it supports FS Meteo and if no post post your question:http://www.fsbuild.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=114e1755105e07e505eaf0da83db365dA search on FSMeteo there turned up one thread giving an example of an FS9 installation:[MS-FLIGHTSIMULATOR]FS_HOME=C:\PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT GAMES\FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9FSMETEO=C:\PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT GAMES\FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9\WEATHERfrom fsbuild.cfg. However a later thread suggested the FSMeteo data format had changed and was not working.