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Well today I've decided to buy the PMDG MD-11 so I could wait for the NGX. I went to the website and go the product page. But here is the problem: It's 80$ guys. In my opinion that's too expensive (Maybe I'm too poor). I don't know if you have been told that or not? Well I could buy it if it was for both versions but FSX only 80$... So what I'm saying is that you guys should look your prices again and make it no more than 50$. I'm not criticising but just advising. I know you guys make the best fsx addon out-there. What I really hoped is that you guys would reduce the price after few years at least. Also hope that the NGX is not gonna be that expensive. Sorry to get into your business but really I gave up after seeing that price and I know that I'm not the only one.

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Sure its a lot to spend on a plane but I think its 100% worth it. These guys spend countless hours developing this thing so they deserve it

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Sure its a lot to spend on a plane but I think its 100% worth it. These guys spend countless hours developing this thing so they deserve it
I agree. I do buy many other games too. They're all around 60$. And I know the developers spent several months too to make them.As you can see on my signature I already bought many expensive addons but this time. The card didn't get out Shame%20On%20You.gif of my pocket because I was expecting 50$ or something :(.

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Well today I've decided to buy the PMDG MD-11 so I could wait for the NGX. I went to the website and go the product page. But here is the problem: It's 80$ guys. In my opinion that's too expensive (Maybe I'm too poor). I don't know if you have been told that or not? Well I could buy it if it was for both versions but FSX only 80$... So what I'm saying is that you guys should look your prices again and make it no more than 50$. I'm not criticising but just advising. I know you guys make the best fsx addon out-there. What I really hoped is that you guys would reduce the price after few years at least. Also hope that the NGX is not gonna be that expensive. Sorry to get into your business but really I gave up after seeing that price and I know that I'm not the only one.
Try living in New Zealand its like $120.00 NZD :(

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Try living in New Zealand its like $120.00 NZD :(
I know anywhere in the world it's a bunch of money to be honest.

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It would surprise me if the NGX was any cheaper than their current top airliner, the MD11.

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I am not sure if discussing pricing policy is allowed by the forum rules (see article 8). Here are my 2 cents however:While 80 USD is not cheap, the aircraft is absolutely worth it. PMDG have been constantly improving their products and the MD11 delivers a functionality that is yet unmatched in my opinion, at least as far as airliners are concerned. It's a huge step up from their 744. I think I even still prefer it over the Jetstream. But I am kind of biased, as the real MD1 is one of my favorite airplanes of all times. With the HD textures that you can find here on AVSIM the PMDG version looks magnificent.There are still developers that charge a lot more than PMDG and deliver far less! For 80 USD you get all available versions of the MD11 (except the C/CF) complete with individual sounds, virtual cockpit and system simulation. On top of that you get a failure module and lots of free repaints. You can even change the symbology of the instruments to what your favorite airlines uses, amongst other things. I cringed over the price, too, when I had to buy the MD11 a second time after switching over to FSX. But in the long run I didn't regret that investment. You'll regret if you spend 50 USD on a half-baked add-on instead of getting over yourself and purchase the MD11.

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I am not sure if discussing pricing policy is allowed by the forum rules (see article 8). Here are my 2 cents however:
Well I hope we are in a "democracy" in here. It's just my opinion and certainely will not affect any future customer. And I know I would hear that "it's worth it"...Shame%20On%20You.gif It can be worth 1000$ for someone and not even 10$ for another. I'm just telling it could have been cheaper. Maybe it's like that because there is not something similar on the market. But they have to think about poor customers like me.:(

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Well I hope we are in a "democracy" in here. ...
Well, this is the official PMDG forum, you obviously are not allowed to say everything you want. Freedom of speech do not regulate relations between members of the public, it only regulates relations between the members of the public and its government. Think about it, if I invited somebody to my house, then he started talking trash about my wife I would of course be allowed to throw him out of my house without him being able to claim "freedom of speech". Same thing goes in a forum like this one. PMDG sets the rules and it is up to the users to abide by those rules. If you do not follow them then you run the risk of getting removed (aka banned)

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Well, this is the official PMDG forum, you obviously are not allowed to say everything you want. Freedom of speech do not regulate relations between members of a public, it only regulates relations between the members of the public and its government. Think about it, if I invited somebody to my house, then he started talking trash about my wife I would of course be allowed to throw him out of my house without him being able to claim "freedom of speech". Same thing goes in a forum like this one. PMDG sets the rules and it is up to the users to abide by those rules. If you do not follow them then you run the risk of getting removed (aka banned)
Well sometime you have to accept the truth even if it hurts you. I'm just letting them know (if they don't already) that there are customers like me that really like their products but cannot afford to pay 80$ for one product. If you can then good for you but don't criticize my own opinion alright? They are free to ban my post Big%20Grin.gif but Truth is always Truth.

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Well today I've decided to buy the PMDG MD-11 so I could wait for the NGX. I went to the website and go the product page. But here is the problem: It's 80$ guys. In my opinion that's too expensive (Maybe I'm too poor). I don't know if you have been told that or not? Well I could buy it if it was for both versions but FSX only 80$... So what I'm saying is that you guys should look your prices again and make it no more than 50$. I'm not criticising but just advising. I know you guys make the best fsx addon out-there. What I really hoped is that you guys would reduce the price after few years at least. Also hope that the NGX is not gonna be that expensive. Sorry to get into your business but really I gave up after seeing that price and I know that I'm not the only one.
Hi,your points are comprehensible, the diverse purchasing power in different countries is a large problem in presence and the primary rate of piracy.As far as i know the PMDG onlineshop has no "gift feature", so i have to ask you, do you have a bank account? (feel free to PM me)It would be a big pleasure to give you the needed 80$ to buy the fabulous MD-11 or the NGX when it's released.regards

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Hi,your points are comprehensible, the diverse purchasing power in different countries is a large problem in presence and the primary rate of piracy.As far as i know the PMDG onlineshop has no "gift feature", so i have to ask you, do you have a bank account? (feel free to PM me)It would be a big pleasure to give you the needed 80$ to buy the fabulous MD-11 or the NGX when it's released.regards
Thanks for your concern :(. But yeah I do have a bank account. As you can see in my signature I own some add-ons and I invested a lot in my PC (that's really not about money). But I also know that 80$ maybe little in U.S. but it's not in my country for example.

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Thanks for your concern :(. But yeah I do have a bank account. As you can see in my signature I own some add-ons and I invested a lot in my PC (that's really not about money). But I also know that 80$ maybe little in U.S. but it's not in my country for example.
after investigating your signature, maybe you should donate some money to me. :biggrin:As far as i can follow, you argue for a generally moderate pricing of software, at least in your country.Maybe developers would sell some boxed copies more in local trade (if there is at least any?), but this discount would end in abusing the onlinemarket, through "moneyed" customers from elsewhere. As a trend they always have an eye on the cheapest way to get goods, software, whatever and the world wide web helps finding the bargain.In some cases this behaviour is essential to "survive" in person, in other cases it is selfish, cause it prevents from what you are reasonable expecting. Nearly unsolvable, cause charity begins at home.

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after investigating your signature, maybe you should donate some money to me. :biggrin:As far as i can follow, you argue for a generally moderate pricing of software, at least in your country.Maybe developers would sell some boxed copies more in local trade (if there is at least any?), but this discount would end in abusing the onlinemarket, through "moneyed" customers from elsewhere. As a trend they always have an eye on the cheapest way to get goods, software, whatever and the world wide web helps finding the bargain.In some cases this behaviour is essential to "survive" in person, in other cases it is selfish, cause it prevents from what you are reasonable expecting. Nearly unsolvable, cause charity begins at home.
You are right. And I think (In my own sincere opinion) that it's expensive for an add-ons (the best add-on). I know many will not agree with me but that's OK. I know that if this is not discussed one day or another the developers will always give us their prices always more expensive and we will always agree saying that they spent countless hours making the products. Even when I'm making free sceneries for FSX I spent at least 20 hours siting in front of my computer... You get my point I hope

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If you can't justify the 80 USD, try getting a boxed version from Aerosoft. Don't know if they ship to your country and at what cost, but at least have a look.

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If you can't justify the 80 USD, try getting a boxed version from Aerosoft. Don't know if they ship to your country and at what cost, but at least have a look.
I live in the U.S. by the way. Maybe I was just upset by the unexpected price. I thought it would cost like the J41. I'll certainly end-up buying the MD-11 version too but for now I am just disappointed with the pricing.

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Look at it this way, it's cheaper than every single part from your signature PC.

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I live in the U.S. by the way. Maybe I was just upset by the unexpected price. I thought it would cost like the J41. I'll certainly end-up buying the MD-11 version too but for now I am just disappointed with the pricing.
Fair enough. The Jetstream however is supposed to be a "light" product, thus the lower price point. IIRC the 744 was also around 80 USD when it released. Did you check out Aerosoft? They offer the MD11 for 70 USD. But if you can, buy at the PMDG store to support them.

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I think you just can't compare with software at 50USD, mainly for 2 reasons:1- Other softs like games are sold - for hits - more than hundred thousands copies, so it's more to other editors to lower their prices, as they had their payback for ages but they just sell it to the price that the market is ready to pay for. After the dead-even point, it's pure income.2- As a parallel of the 1. point, PMDG does not sell so many copies as big games editors do. They got to assure there payback + incomes on a very smaller quantity: one of the parameters that gives the price.Asking for a price decrease from PMDG is like to go to a Porsche shop and tell them to sell you a 911 for 15.000USD. That would be financially understandable as there's no more development cost to be reimbursed of. In both cases, they could and they know they would sell more, BUT in both cases, selling a high class product at low cost is a non-sense: it kills the product positionning and life cycle.PMDG is not a non profitable organisation, so they use profitable logic, even if I'm sure PMDG net incomes are surely not a gold river.Edit: as Some1 said, PMDG add-ons are often cheaper than one of our PC components ... If a market is ready for a price, even if high, than sell it to this price ...

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To the OP, S. Toure. I too was a little uncertain about the MD-11 when I bought it. I came, looking for the original announcement of the NGX several years ago, and like the 744 and then started poking around these forums and saw everyone raving about the MD11. I thought to myself: why would I want this rarely used and out of production aircraft that almost no one flies any longer except KLM and cargo guys? And, at $80, I thought I had really better like it. (It wasn't so much that I didn't have $80, but that was $80 I could have spent on something else.) In short: I love it. The plane is a beast. It gets better FPS than my other PMDG add-ons, it flies solidly and stable. The CDU/FMS system is different and takes some getting used to, but that's part of the fun, no? My only regret with it is that there isn't a FS2Crew Voice version for it, otherwise I might never fly the queen again. Trust me: Buy this plane. IMHO its the better of their two heavies for FSX.

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Is it expensive? It sure is. But it is 100% worth it!!! I know that NGX will be probably around $80-$100, but I know that I won't waste my money.

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Is it expensive? It sure is. But it is 100% worth it!!! I know that NGX will be probably around $80-$100, but I know that I won't waste my money.
I would bet from $100 on, but I'm sure I would not regret spending this money at all.

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Look at it this way, it's cheaper than every single part from your signature PC.
That's right. This could be an expensive hobby, when you add them all up. But, the PMDG MD-11 is well worth the $80, the best airliner simulation for FSX so far.Also, let's keep in mind, a FS addon is not a high volume seller like your whatever PS3 game, so that justifies the price by itself in my opinion..

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I think it's fair to ask " Why is it expensive?". I was gonna say the same when I bought the 747-8. I don't understand why they would ask us 20$ more for that. Really I know you all support them as I do but I should also say my opinion about what I'm buying and how much I'm willing to buy it. Maybe in real life they do the same with the real aircraft.

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Hi All, I honestly think this topic is right up PMDGs street. The bottom line is that the 737ngx has probably cost them an arm and a leg in the time scale of production, and we all know how long that has been. Therefore they will be deliberating how they will be able to recoup the cost. Despite what they have said in the past, the ongoing Market Recession will have played havoc with their thinking and they will be juggling with prices. So all the talk within this topic about the cost of the MD11 etc., will throw some light on what the cost of the NGX might be bearing in mind what members have posted in relation to what they were prepared to pay for the MD11. Mark this reply well. richard welsh

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