Hello there, yesterday I was doing a short flight from KDEN to KEGE with RCv43 in FS9. I was aiming for a LDA/DME RWY 25 arrival. Flight plan was a simple DEN ROCKI7.RLG EGE at 16000 ft in an ATR72Departure went fine and while I was in cruise I had an ATC call about my arrival. My english is not that good so I was not able to fully understand what had been asked, that's my fault.So my question is: which call should I expect from RC for my arrival?These are the KEGE radio facilities (according to airnav):EAGLE GROUND: 121.8 [0700-1900]EAGLE TOWER: 119.8 [0700-1900]CLEARANCE DELIVERY: 124.75APCH/DEP SVC PRVDD BY DENVER ARTCC ON FREQS 128.65/282.2 (KREMMLING RCAG).CLEARANCE DELIVERY PRVDD BY DENVER ARTCC ON FREQ 124.75 WHEN ATCT CLSD. Thanks for your supportStefano Piccoli

First you do not need to include DEN in you plan since ROC17 already includes that. Second EGE is on the airport and need not be included. I left it on for this illustration:and you can see the short distance of 0 for EGE to the runway.The approaches to KEGE can be seen at:http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KEGE/proceduresNormally RC would vector you in a standard pattern from just before RLG. However because of terrain you should request an IAP and follow the charts. There are no STARs for KEGE, just two approaches. http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KEGE/IAP/LDA_DME+RWY+25 for runway 25 is part visual for the initial descent from Aquila per the note on the map. The IAF (initial approach fix)is RLG which is in your plan. I would add AQULA between RLG and KEGE to avoid terrain and include the FAF (runway lineup).http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KEGE/IAP/RNAV+%28GPS%29-D is an RNAV/GPS approach. Again you would fly an IAP for an entry from the NE using RLG, KIMBL, POWRS, AWAC (FAF to line you up), NEPRY (indicated as a fly-over, not fly-by, waypoint just 0.5 miles from the threshold. Note the minimums state CIRCLING meaning and increased minimum to allow a visual approach to 25 or circling to 7 using a visual contact pattern.RC approach contacts you about 40 nm out at which point you ack it then request an IAP so you can navigate on your own following the charts. Because of terrain vectors would not be given since approach is remote radar from Denver and if you did not request an IAP it would give you from the NE RLG entry a right base entry to where it thinks the FAF is. It also looks like there is a slight angle offset from the runway so the localizer is not lined up exactly with the runway. The runway heading at the diagram:http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KEGE/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAMshows a 251 degree heading while the final approach bearing for the RNAV or LDA/DME 25 is 247 or 246 degree respectively.As far as comm frequencies go RC has its own independent table of frequencies. You can see the frequencies assigned to KEGE for RC by looking at the Controller page before starting RC. The best option is to enable the RC Autotune-on contact (comms) which will tune them for you. Localizer frequencies are derived from your installed scenery.The Controller page in RC shows no approach frequency for KEGE. Center will provide guidance and then release you to finish on your own I believe.Another point to notice in this plan is that on departure your initial waypoint is within 30 nm. RC will not provide vectors and you are on your own to follow the SID for the first 30 nm and continue as filed. You'll notice that RC automatically chose alt. retrictions to set for you in that area. You can not choose No Departure Procedure (vectors) because you included a waypoint in the first 30 nm.

Some interesting aviation aspects of KEGE are in these two articles:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_County_Regional_Airporthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localizer_Type_Directional_Aid

The Controller page in RC shows no approach frequency for KEGE. Center will provide guidance and then release you to finish on your own I believe.

Probably this is the point, but I can't understand how I'm leaved on my own (that is, I don't understand what the controller is telling to me). And to which point I'll be on my own? EGE has tower position, will tower contact me or I have to contact them by myself before landing?

Another point to notice in this plan is that on departure your initial waypoint is within 30 nm. RC will not provide vectors and you are on your own to follow the SID for the first 30 nm and continue as filed. You'll notice that RC automatically chose alt. retrictions to set for you in that area. You can not choose No Departure Procedure (vectors) because you included a waypoint in the first 30 nm.

If I recall correctly I have been vectored from KDEN at first and then received a "proceed on course" clearance. I'll check it back with your flightplan anyway. But maybe I need to edit it in fsbuild to add DEN VOR and ZIMMER wpt, I'm sure they weren't on my flightplan.Thanks for your helpStefano

At KDEN ROCK17 includes the DEN VOR and ZIMMR.It includes RLG, the transition point you specified as well but it is best to include that as ROCK17.RLG in your plan window. FSUIPC expanded that as illustrated into those individual waypoints as I illustrated in the screen shots. Check the Via column and you see ROCK17. I dropped EGE from the plan window before exporting since it is not part of the approach. If you left it in when declaring an IAP RC might expect you to cross it and it is off the course for all runways. When the RC controller releases you he is telling you to navigate on your own. Find your way to RLG. If you use the offset LDA/DME approach you have all the information you need. At AQULA you turn inbound on final and either there will be an RC menu option to contact tower or tower will contact you to clear you in when you are close enough to it. I don't recall. Read the RCv43 manual page 127 and page 185-note. Read the tutorial starting on page 190 where you land at a towered field with no approach guidance.The IAP 25 chart I referenced earlier is attached:You need to learn how to use VOR and GPS/RNAV navigation. If you are using just VOR/LOC instruments (with DME) you would travel from the IAF RGL VOR outbound track 184 degrees using VOR 2. VOR 1 should be tuned to I-ESJ so you as your needle starts moving toward the center start turning to 246 inbound to follow the LDA. Your DME on NAV 1 will give the the charted distances for altitude guidance. If you are using an FMC or GPS FSBuild can probably export the plan to it and you can use your GPS or Navigation display.In FS9 format here's how the exported plan looked:[flightplan]title=KDEN to KEGEdescription=KDEN, KEGEtype=IFRroutetype=3cruising_altitude=18000departure_id=KDEN, N39* 51.41', W104* 40.23',+005431.00departure_position=35Ldestination_id=KEGE, N39* 38.33', W106* 54.57',+006548.00departure_name=DENVER_INTERNATIONALdestination_name=EAGLE_COUNTYwaypoint.0=KDEN, A, N39* 51.41', W104* 40.23', +000000.00, waypoint.1=DEN, V, N39* 48.45', W104* 39.38', +000000.00, waypoint.2=ZIMMR, I, N40* 01.46', W105* 39.55', +000000.00, waypoint.3=RLG, V, N40* 00.09', W106* 26.32', +000000.00, waypoint.4=AQULA, I, N39* 41.34', W106* 34.21', +000000.00, waypoint.5=KEGE, A, N39* 38.33', W106* 54.57', +000000.00, (I don't have the FSBuild option to export altitudes on.)Also note on the chart it includes a frequency for Denver Center and KEGE Tower plus Ground. There is no approach controller as I noted. Tower does not give vectors.You should either purchase the manuals from Amazon or locally or review them on line:http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/instrument_flying_handbook/http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/instrument_procedures_handbook/The second link goes into more procedures for advanced aircraft. I have hard copies for both and they are well worth it. Try the Instrument Procedures Handbook first if you must make a choice for now. On-line see how it discusses all of this so you can navigate your way around without ATC assistance.Finally, note in the RC in-flight window in the status region it can show you the next waypoint you are obligated to cross with a heading to it (if an IAP you can choose to ignore it - see also NOTAMS in the RC manual) that will display unless you have the RC option IFR Training checked which will blank that information.

Ron, thanks for your support.I'll retry this flight in the next days following your guidelines, and see what happen.Have a nice dayStefano

I finally had a chance to redo this flight, this time with ROCKI7.RLG AQULA flight plan.While inbound RLG, Center asked me about the approach to KEGE. I choosed ILS for RWY25, and center replied me "OK, you can expect that" (that was the message I was unable to understand!)At some point during my approach I had a "radar services terminated" call, and then I landed normally. Can't remember if tower contacted me or if I had to contact tower, BTW.Thanks for your help RonStefano