Always when I make a flightplan I get the result that the procedures depicted in the SIMcharts are totally ignored.For example with FSNavigator I made a flightplan to Seattle Tacoma.For this airport I have a SIMChart by Jeppeson with information about procedures for incoming traffic. In the flightlessons we follow theese procedures.But the calculted route from FSNavigator totally ignored theese procedures. I didn't expected this since I have downloaded SID data.The ATC ordered me to descend to 2400 further away from the airportand I didn't approached the airport from 66 or 25 degress or descended according to the height values for FACTS MILLT NDB.ATC tells me everything I shoud do and it does not agree well with my flightplan.How can I make a flightplan where I'm supposed to follow procedures given in SIMCharts and ATC instructs me to follow my flightplan?(I did export the flightplan to FS2004)

I can't help with the FS ATC as I don't use it but my method os using FSNav is as follows.Get FSNav to auto-generate the main route using high or low level airways with the 'use SID/STARs' option ticked.This should generate the route to the end waypoints of the SID/STARs.Then go to the flight plan tab and add the relevant SID/STARs for runways in use.If the SID/STARs dipicted in FSNav do not match your SIMCharts then create your own from those charts.AFAIK FS does not use SIDs or STARs in its flight plan but I am open to correction on this as I don't use the FS flight planner, FSNav is far superior.HTH

>Get FSNav to auto-generate the main route using high or low>level airways with the 'use SID/STARs' option ticked.>I tried that and got a course with a very long roundabout way.>This should generate the route to the end waypoints of the>SID/STARs.What do you mean with the 'end waypoints of the SID/STARs'?>Then go to the flight plan tab and add the relevant SID/STARs>for runways in use.>What do you mean? How?>AFAIK FS does not use SIDs or STARs in its flight plan but I>am open to correction on this as I don't use the FS flight>planner, FSNav is far superior.>I agree that at least the map in FSNav is far superiour than the built in map feature in FS.

Don't wish to sound harsh but there is good documentation explaining how to do these things.>I tried that and got a course with a very long roundabout way.What do you mean with the 'end waypoints of the SID/STARs'?I agree that at least the map in FSNav is far superiour than the built in map feature in FS.

>Well I am at a loss here as I don't have SIMCharts, what do>they show? From your description I assume they show SIDs &>STARs, if so then they will show the waypoints where the SID>ends and the waypoint that starts the STAR.This SIMChart is included with FS2004. It's used in the IFR checkride. It shows VOR NDB and two fixpoints MILLT FACTS andtwo courses leading to MILLT FACTS. We are also given minimum altitudes at theese points.What I had in mind was to have a route generated that takes me to MILLT or FACTS at the courses depicted in SIMChart. And then when I when I load the flightplan I would like to hear the ATC ask me to intercept the 338 radial and descend according to minimum altitudes given in the SIMchart. I wonder if this is possible. Of course it was possible to manually make a similar course.>If SIMCharts only show ILS approaches then you have a lot more>to learn :-)>It only shows VOR and NDB but the airport also have ILS and ATCadvices me to use it. If there were no ILS could I have been adviced to track a VOR course?>Now show high or low level airways (whichever you are using)>on the map and go along your route and add any waypoints where>the airway deviates from a straight line and any others you>want to add.They sometimes deviates from my plotted course. If you wan't realism could you ignore airways?>Now click on your departure airport and the right hand pane>should show all the available SIDs for that airport.>Select an appropriate one to join up with your first waypoint>using the runway you will use for take-off.>Do the same thing for your destination airport again slecting>your landing runway.>I did so and the result was that this runway was inserted in my flightplan

>I can't help with the FS ATC as I don't use it but my method>os using FSNav is as follows.>Don't you think you are missing somthing without ATC? I would, ATC enhances FS according to me.

>>I can't help with the FS ATC as I don't use it but my>method>>os using FSNav is as follows.>>>Don't you think you are missing somthing without ATC? I would,>ATC enhances FS according to me.Nah. I've got spoilt flying with VATSIM ;-), FS ATC will never substitute :-)By not using the default ATC when I fly off line I can practice flying by the charts which makes me a little more proficient when I have to fly them on line.

What is VATSIM?What do you mean by 'have to fly online'?

OK jfri I have had a look at the SIMCharts and they are instrument Approach Charts (Plates) or IAP's.As you probably know they show the approach to the two runways at Seattle and Boeing Field. First off, on the KSEA chart I cannot find two courses to MILLT and FACTS if by courses you mean a route you would fly.The chart does show bearings to FACTS and MILLT from VOR TCM so that you can locate them with referrence to TCM but the course you fly between the two fixes is 341 degrees.Looking at the STARs for KSEA in FSNav I cannot find any that use FACTS but there are 3 that use MILLT, they are TOU, YVR, YYJ.You could then work backwards from any of those to create a flight plan.If you want to include FACTS then you will have to add that yourself.If your main concern was that FSNav will not auto-generate that precise route then you are asking too much of the auto-generate function and of course it couldn't include FACTS because none of the STARs include it.Out of interest I just looked up the VATSIM Seattle site for information (http://www.seaartcc.net/) and found 3 charts for 34R at KSEA and none of them use either FACTS or MILLT :-)>They sometimes deviates from my plotted course. If you wan't realism could you ignore airways?I did so and the result was that this runway was inserted in my flightplan

>What is VATSIM?>What do you mean by 'have to fly online'?VATSIMhttp://www.vatsim.net/

>First off, on the KSEA chart I cannot find two courses to>MILLT and FACTS if by courses you mean a route you would fly.I mean the lines from McChord VOR to MILLT and FACTS. They have 25 deg and 066 deg written on them.>The chart does show bearings to FACTS and MILLT from VOR TCM>so that you can locate them with referrence to TCM but theYes that was what I meant.>>I did so and the result was that this runway was inserted in>my flightplan <>>Sorry, I don't understand that, did you not want to land on>that runway?>Yes so this was the expected result. I thought that maybe additional waypoints was to be inserted by FNAV.>Did any of the above help or am I missing what you are trying>to achieve?>I did help and I think we only misunderstand each other in certain details.