Hello Guys;

 

First: I would like to Thank PMDG for the Masterpiece the 737, and it's the most enjoyable aircraft I've ever Virtually flown :), Thank you

 

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Second: Here is my PC setup

 

Processor : AMD Phenom II x4 945 @ 3.3 GHz (OverClocked)

MB : Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H

Graphics Card : Gigabyte AMD HD6850 (GPU Clock : 875MHz, Memory Clock : 1200MHz) (OverClocked)

RAM : 8GB Kingstone running at 1333 MHz

HD : Old western Digital 7200 RPM..

 

So it's a capable PC.

 

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Third: The Problem:

 

Here is my issue with PMDG 737 ONLY, in the displays (AA)

 

I've used many AA Tools, like stock AMD CCC, It didn't help, but finally ATI Tray seems to do the job well.

 

What I see is too many dots -that moves rapidly whenever the head moves- in the displays and text is very sharp but not readable from distance.

 

I've tried (Multi-Sample AA, 8X, Box, Wide-Tent and Narrow-Tent) The displays are very sharp but the text not clear, and the dots exist.

 

Same thing with (Adaptive Multi-Sample AA, 8X, Box, Wide-Tent and Narrow-Tent) dots exist.

 

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The only two solutions I have, is to uncheck "High Resolution Cockpit Texture" but that leads to a very blurry text in the display, and blurry texture overall, but no more dots.

 

Second Solution is to use (Super-Sample AA, at least 4X with Box Fliter), and I've used that for a while and I was happy, but it's a big FPS Hit when flying in addon scenery like Aerosoft.

 

I've uploaded some pictures:

 

AA-Adaptive - 8X - Wide-Tent Fliter - LowRes Cockpit, I get around 25~30 FPS in addon scenery.

 

 

AA-Adaptive - 8X - Wide-Tent Fliter - HighRes Cockpit, As you can see, text is sharp but not readable from distance, Picture maybe not showing it, but I think you got the idea + The dots. I get around 21~26 FPS in addon scenery

 

 

AA-SuperSample - 4X - Box Fliter - HighRes Cockpit, it's simply Perfect, text are readable, no dots, but it's FPS hit in addon scenery, I get around 15~21 FPS

 

 

So, what shall I do to get rid of the display dots, without loosing the high quality but with good FPS at the same time, because SuperSample is not the best solution for me (FPS wise).

 

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Other Notes;

 

Bojote's Tweaking.

 

Here is my settings in FSX:

 

 

 

 

 

Traffic is OFF, Weather on Medium High

 

Also in ATI Tray:

 

Anisotropic Filtering : Quality with Trilinear, 16X

Texture Preference : High Quality

MipMap Detail level : High Quality

V-Sync : OFF

Anisotorpic Filtering Optimization : Checked

Trilinear Filtering Optimization : Checked

Enable Surface Format Optimizations : Checked

Catalyst A.I. : Performance

Triple Buffering : Checked

Force Z Buffer Depth : Disabled

 

 

 

I also had an Nvidia 9600 GSO, and had the same problem, so I think it's not Nvidia , AMD thing?

 

Thanks in advance, sorry if it's repeated ( searched ) or long topic.

What dots you want to get rid off exactly?

It's a grid of lines and dots and that when I move the view inside the VC those rapidly moves with me, and it's visible only on the displays, and it's also only visible in High Res. cockpit setting with AA MultiSample and Adaptive, but not visible under low resolution cockpit and under Super Sample AA..

 

Pics:

 

 

 

Can you see those lines, Grids or dots that changes on the display? it's really annoying.

yes i see no what u mean... i don't know how to help.. using Nvidia card here and don't have those lines..

Hi, try sliding antilaising slider all the way to the right,then open filter box and click edge detect and see if that helps. I am using 6950 card and have experienced the same problem, and this took care of it. Beware you will take an FPS hit and you might have to push your processor a little further on your overclock.

 

 

 

 

 

Jamie Moses

Hi, try sliding antilaising slider all the way to the right,then open filter box and click edge detect and see if that helps. I am using 6950 card and have experienced the same problem, and this took care of it. Beware you will take an FPS hit and you might have to push your processor a little further on your overclock.

 

 

Thank you Jamie, it dose help indeed, and that what I posted in my first post, last picture, but my question is, that I can't get rid of those lines in Multi or Adaptive sample (8X and Edge Detect selected), only Super Sample can remove it, and that hit the FPS so much as you just mentioned.

 

So I am wondering how to get rid of it under Multi or Adaptive sampling..

 

Thanks

Ibrahim, I dont think you will be able to totally remove them without taking a hit on frames.Have you tried v-sync enabled? You will have to compromise on the setup. I have been working on this for months with mine and there is a fine line. I wish I knew then what I know now, I would have gone with intel and nvidia. Keep posting and I will help all I can.

Ibrahim, I dont think you will be able to totally remove them without taking a hit on frames.Have you tried v-sync enabled? You will have to compromise on the setup. I have been working on this for months with mine and there is a fine line. I wish I knew then what I know now, I would have gone with intel and nvidia. Keep posting and I will help all I can.

 

Thank you Jamie for the reply, but V-Sync was off all the time. I will give a try after an hour cause I am in a flight now, and I will post the results.

 

Thanks again.

This is part of the reason we recommend Nvidia cards - their AA modes are much better at removing this type of aliasing artifact that happens inside a texture...

This is part of the reason we recommend Nvidia cards - their AA modes are much better at removing this type of aliasing artifact that happens inside a texture...

 

Thank you Ryan for you comment, maybe next upgrade will move back to Nvidia.

When using ATI cards, i would seriously recommend ******* shader mod3 v 1.6 all in the ccc just set it to application controlled.... you will not get anymore lines... Steve

 

 

http://www.lockonfil...der-30-mod-v16/

 

There you go m8 it will increase cloud performance aswell... I do also know that it will correct antialiaing etc...

 

 

If you get stuck on your ATI settings PM me i will help you

When using ATI cards, i would seriously recommend ******* shader mod3 v 1.6 all in the ccc just set it to application controlled.... you will not get anymore lines... Steve

 

 

http://www.lockonfil...der-30-mod-v16/

 

There you go m8 it will increase cloud performance aswell... I do also know that it will correct antialiaing etc...

 

 

If you get stuck on your ATI settings PM me i will help you

 

Thank you Steve very much for your help,

 

But I've given a try before for that shader addon, and it didn't do anything, Screens still has the lines..

 

It's even worse, Clouds didn't look sharp as before also the water has no animation and looks strange (Attached), and I only use REX for the water (no FS Water Configurator).

 

 

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Just to let you know, Lines exist under (Multi-Sample & Adaptive-Sampling), it goes with Super-Sample (at least 4X) and Low Res Cockpit texture..

 

 

NOTE: I've played around with the FSX.CFG, and I've changed the BufferPools to (UsePools=0) instead of (RejectThreshold=131072) and I got nearly 5 to 10 FPS increase at EHAM with aerosoft, Just wanted to share the info..

Alright Guys;

 

I think I've found my way for a solution, and I'm Very pleased with it..

 

What I've done is OverClocking my VGA from stock 775MHz to 900MHz Core Clock, and From 1050MHz to 1200MHz Memory Clock, I've also changed the Buffer Pools entry to 0 in FSX.cfg, Also I've noticed in the MSI Afterburner software that GPU usage sometime reached to 70% which is quite rare for FSX :).

 

With ATI-tray tools: 4X Super-Sample AA, Edge Detect, Anistropic 16x, Texture Quality : High Quality, V-Sync : Always Off, I get between 25 to 30 FPS (Low Resolution Cockpit) @ EHAM aerosoft and about 20 to 25 (High Resolution Cockpit).

 

I am pleased with the current settings as if I want to gain more FPS it's just 2 clicks away in the display setting, same time I've get rid of those lines..

 

I thank everyone who tried to help me, more discussions are welcomed.

 

Thanks.

Yeah that is strange because as you can see in my signiture i have an ati card and im not getting thouse issues ummm leave it with me im going to try a few things out over this weekend see if we can get you up and running fella

Hehe, Thank you Steve.

 

I am free for any tryouts and tests..