Come on Fred - you know that'll never happen.I'm really looking forward to hearing reports about the new 3D panel too, especially when comparing the features to PMDG.I'm convinced that flying accurately with a 3D panel will not be possible as you won't be able to see half of what's going on... (That's why PMDG has zoom options etc.)And it looks as though the pricing will require the purchase of yet another 'all-new' plane to go with the panel (at extra cost of course). How many times is Ariane gonna claim everythings 'all new' when it clearly isn't?...the jury's out.Toni.

where does it say the price? I cannot find it? :)

The price (other than a

>Come on Fred - you know that'll never happen.I know that, but it would be amusing if he actually did.

Love the FPS section :-lol "ALL NEW FS2004 FPS REPORT60+ FPS (ext) & 33-37 average (int) high end systems38+ FPS (ext) & 11-17 average (int) low end machinesHIGH END = 3.06 P4/Ge Force 5600 128 Mb with 2.0g RAMLOW END = 1.8 P3/Ge Force Ti 4400 64 Mb with 640 RAM"Haha! So my 2.4ghz fx5200 512mb RAM will get about 45-50 FPS outside and 20-38 inside! Really? I barely get that with the default C-172! Jason :-wave

You get that using the 172? Wow, wish I could. Maybe if I break the bank and buy this 737, it will speed up my system. :-lol Actually I am very happy with my PDMG 737 and don't need no stink'n one from Ariane and would never line P.T.s wallet with my cash.

What is INCREDIBLE is that Pappa Tango has not listed the **Special** worth while things like the systems OR AFDS! Com'on pappa Tango we want to see your FMC with all it's pages and FUNCTIONS! We already KNOW there is no SPD and ALT INTV on this bird but what else have you NOT shown? IRS, yes thanks, one point, now how about how it FLYS, contrails are welcome and so is ice building on the bird but what does that matter without VNAV-LNAV LVL CH etc? This is where you need to CONVICE all of us that your bird is somehow more "Advanced". I'll give you 3 cheers for virtual cockpit and exterior animations but without the GUTS it's just another pretty face ;-), yes like mine lol. Pappa, show us the goods and trust mr SMITH can review your birdie and be objective. Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4][h3]P M D G's 747-400[/h3][h4]coming to a runway near you[/h4][/font color]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

Here we go again!You know, I just wonder what if . . . The product was better than the competition .. .The product was delivered with liverys at say $39.95The product was delivered with an FMC.The product was new and very outstanding.Until we actualy see the product, everything is just so much speculation. Come on guys . . . Oh, nevermind, I'm preaching to the choir...............go ahead and slam, slam, slam........it must be in all of your nature. Clay

Yep, same tired crap from the same old cast and crew.

I dont care that it has pushback trucks for 990 airports either. I prefer 2d panel, so this plane is not for me.

Of course Clay you don't mention the fact that Araine has made the first punch upon PMDG on their web page. In fact most of their advertizments are based upon the "advanced" NG over who's? If anything Araine loves any attention on these forums because it's free advertizing. I am willing to make judgements upon what I have seen put out by Araine and to judge their product upon it's own merits. It's no crime to critize what is displayed on their web page. No one is twisting anyone's arms. So please don't suggest that you are somehow ammune to discussions, as I see it you always seem to put your 02 every Araine/PMDG thread. Maybe you should ASK who these people are start such threads? It's not PMDG supporters! Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4][h3]P M D G's 747-400[/h3][h4]coming to a runway near you[/h4][/font color]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |