To Rob Young and the Realair team Have to say your spitFire is AMAZING!!!!!! best wishes steve :-beerchug had to edit cos i put ...your spit is amazing:-) :-) NEW!!! viagra for the eyes...makes you look HARD!!

On behalf of the team, Thanks Steve. Much appreciated!CheersTimSpitfire Test Pilothttp://members.chello.nl/t.westnutt/realair.gif

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Hi Tim,may I ask what the best way to land this bird is? What I learned is that the takeoff is complicated, because the Spit tends to the right when giving too much too fast power at takeoff roll._______________________Regards, Torben HadlerBeta-Tester ACLoader 3 + 4http://www.fsflightdeck.com/acloader.htmlT-A-H MultiMedia Productions Torben Hadler - http://www.t-a-h.com || [email protected]: CPU: AMD TB XP 3200 Barton | MoBo: Epox 8RDA+ NVidia2 400MHz | RAM: 1024MB 2700 DDR | MSI NVIDIA GF5 FX 5700 Ultra | Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS | CH-YOKE + Peddals; Primary: 17" Dell Monitor * Secondary: Philips 150S4 TFT 15" || Software: Display Resolution used: 1024x768 in WinXP and FS2kX | WinXP Pro SP1b (German Version); DX9c | FS2k2 pro + FS2k4 (German Versions) - all sliders maxed about 95% | ever latest FSUIPC 3.xxx licenced | AS2004 | Alert!! pro | UT 2004 | RC3.01 | FSBuild 2 | ACLoader 4.1 | FS Panel Studio | AFCAD 2.2.1 and much more...

Hi TorbenI suggest you look at page 22 of the flying guide. The technique for landing is covered in detail there.The best way I've found is to make a curved approach so you always have the runway in sight, The best approach speed is around 120mph with flap and gear down. The last thing you want is be runing out of airspeed as you cross the fence so watch your rate of descent and keep it no more than 200 fpm with a trickle of power on. The Spitfire is quite tricky to land in a perfect 3 pointer and I prefer to touch down in a slightly nose up attitude with the tailwheel just off the ground and by the time you touch you should have the stick right back where it hurts. I have done many hundreds of landings in this aircraft and still have the occasional "Spitfire Bounce" now and again. Don't worry this is a common occurance and if you have that trickle of power on to cushion your rate of descent you will be ok.As for take off's, The Griffon has enourmous power and you will get a considerable swing to the right on take off (opposite to the Merlin) as you apply power. The secret is don't use full power. +8 boost is a good guidline and means you can control the swing better. Once airborne and the gear has been retracted you can increase power to +12 boost for the climb out.I would suggest doing a load of touch and go's to practice the technique's. I have done hundreds and it's a great feeling when you grease the landing! Then try crosswinds! Different technique altogether!Good luckCheersTimSpirfire Test Pilothttp://members.chello.nl/t.westnutt/realair.gif

Just downloaded it, had to try it out in it's natural envirionment - the Grand Canyon, then out to some low lying airfields for touch and go's.Absolutely fantastic as always guys. Love the gear bounce on unsurfaced strips, and I know how hard that can be to get right.Simply the best available.

And check out the tutorial posted earlier on in another thread written by another Spitfire, P51 jock. Good stuff.And, in addition to creating the best add-on aircraft in flight simulation history, their manuals (plural) are the best I've ever seen as well. These guys have got it goin' on!Honest, I lucked into sime time in an F14 sim during a VIP tour of Lackland AFB (I'm not the VIP but was with one) and the Spitfire's flight model is every bit as realistic.And hey, did you all know that fuel combustion in the F14 (and maybe all jets for all I know...but I don't think so) is CONSTANT regardless of throttle position? I never knew that.Variation in thrust is caused by the opening and closing of the rear opening of the engine housing... which is all the throttle does...and the smaller the opening, the greater the thrust. I guess Bernouli was right!!

Yeah, I don't want to overstate the case, but the RealAir Spitfire is the best thing ever. Anywhere. :-hah OK, maybe thats a bit of an exageration, but it is amazing. The Racer is just an incredible rush to fly. It feels like you could climb it right into orbit...

and the smaller the opening, the greater the>thrust. I guess Bernouli was right!!>Yep that Bernouli sure was a clever fella!CheersTimhttp://members.chello.nl/t.westnutt/realair.gif

I just downloaded this awesome aircraft as well. I must say it is definately the best add-on for FS I have ever seen, but....And it is a rather large BUT. And that is the price. $45.00 (Australian)!!?? It's just too much. There are so many games and add-ons to choose from these days. All of very high quality. I have given up trying to rate them just on their own merit. If you took the RA spit and rated it like this I would give it 10/10. It really is that good.However these days I am forced to rate my purchases on the bang-for-buck scale and when the spit is measured with that stick, I'm afraid it comes up a bit short. If I had unlimited ca$h to throw around I wouldn't care, but I (an many others) don't. So I have to try and choose carefully which game/add-on I buy, to get the most longevity out of it. Now I am a big fan of the spit and all warbirds. I also like flying the heavy metal and choppers. And it's not just limited to MSFS. I like WWII & Jet sims as well. I waste lots of my life on Maddox's IL2FB/Pacific fighters and this I consider to be the biggest bang for buck series of sims I have ever installed! It includes god knows how many versions of the spitfire, plus every other obscure WWII aircraft you can think of and they are all a joy (and different) to fly. And best of all, they have guns that work. Now I know this may not be everyones cup of tea. But even if you are Koffi Annan, it would still be fun to fire up the PF seafire, zoom off the deck of the carrier and blast about the skys, just shooting at the water. You don't even have to harm the electrons on an AI pilots head (or the ego of an online human virtual ace)!!SO without further ado, here is a quick comparison of the real-air spitfires vs the Pacific fighters spitfires. Note this is IL2FB+AEP+PF install)RA flyable spit versions: 3PF: 13Exterior model features RA: weathering, custom animations, reflectionsPF: sameVirtual cockpit RA: clear smooth gauges with high frame rate. Almost all controls are clickable. Has opening entry door and canopy.PF: clear smooth gauges. Not clickable, but the correct controls move when activated by a keystroke. PF has mouse-look for all cockpits. Seafire in PF has opening canopy.Engine management RA: All controls clickable to go through engine start sequence. Engine will blow if mishandled. Able to adjust prop pitch, mixture & supercharger speed (but these are auto controlled on the XIV anyway).PF: engine will blow if mishandled. Magneto switches selectable via keystrokes. Able to adjust prop pitch, mixture & supercharger speed (on models where applicable)Visual effects RA:

Seems to me comparing a civilian flight sim to a combat sim is an excercise in pointlessness. If you want to fly a SPitfire and shoot the guns, obviously a civilian sim isn't the place to go. I've got IL2 and the Aces expansion as well and frankly I'd rather fly the Spitfire in FS9 any day from a purely flying perspective. IL2 always feels exactly like what it is - a combat flightsim. It never (to me anyway) feels like you are flying in a real-world environment. Yes, if ALL you wanted to do was get in a spitfire and fly it around then sure, go get IL2 - its a great sim. But of course most of the people who buy FS9 are looking for very different things from the sim - things like fairly realistic weather and ATC, tons of real world airports to fly to and from, nice realworld scenery to look at - all the things you generally want from a civvy sim and don't get from a combat sim.

>Seems to me comparing a civilian flight sim to a combat sim>is an excercise in pointlessness. If you want to fly a>SPitfire and shoot the guns, obviously a civilian sim isn't>the place to go. I've got IL2 and the Aces expansion as well>and frankly I'd rather fly the Spitfire in FS9 any day from a>purely flying perspective. IL2 always feels exactly like what>it is - a combat flightsim. It never (to me anyway) feels>like you are flying in a real-world environment. Yes, if>ALL you wanted to do was get in a spitfire and fly it>around then sure, go get IL2 - its a great sim. But of course>most of the people who buy FS9 are looking for very different>things from the sim - things like fairly realistic weather and>ATC, tons of real world airports to fly to and from, nice>realworld scenery to look at - all the things you generally>want from a civvy sim and don't get from a combat sim. Well this real pilot holds another opinion and he certainly can compare the real birds to Il2 aircraft look here (http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~speedy/). IL2 is very realistic and to counter your argument, just because this one HAS GUNS does not mean the flying is not realistic... If the Spitfire had guns it would not affect it's flight modelling right?Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]PMDG 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)ASUS KV8 DLX | AMD 3200 64 | 1 GIG PC 3200 DDR | GIGABYTE 5700 ULTRA | ViewSonic VP192b 19" |

Actually, it probably would! I'm sure that the added weight of ammunition would have a noticable effect on the performance of the RA Spitfire. I'm assuming that it was modelled as 'empty' in this respect, though I'm sure I recall seeing a reply in an earlier thread about this Spitfire, from Rob Young, saying that it is a possibility that CFS2 compatibility may be added later...they would then presumably add the extra mass to the FM if this happens?

"Well this real pilot holds another opinion and he certainly can compare the real birds to Il2 aircraft look here (http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~speedy/)."Don't see anything there about the fellow having any time in a Spit...Greg