What a bunch of nonsense, people get attacked for asking valid questions about a product created by the biggest software giant in the world who use the slogan "as real as it gets" for their "simulation" product and then the only response you have to that is sidestepping and strawman arguments. Please stop wasting my time

Aren't you responsible for wasting your time? ...? ...or maybe Microsoft is..... yeah-that's the trick..... :-lolhttp://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

>What a bunch of nonsense, people get attacked for asking>valid questions about a product created by the biggest>software giant in the world who use the slogan "as real as it>gets" for their "simulation" product and then the only>response you have to that is sidestepping and strawman>arguments. Please stop wasting my timeA "valid question" goes down the tube, when phrases such as....."Downright rediculous, utterly rediculous, time & time again... they never fix this, & heck.... no need to be arrogant" are used.Is this...... a "Flight Simulator" with added benefits, or a rain forest simulation? And no where, does the years old "As real as it gets" slogan imply "true to life"..............which is the new slogan you've apparaently added to it.L.Adamson

If MSFS isn't "as real as it gets" as far as PC flight simulators are concerned, please point me in the direction of the sim that is better becuase I certainly haven't found it (and with specific reference to the issue at hand, one that does as good a job of putting the globe on our desktop). The slogan isn't "MSFS - a perfect simulation of reality", nor is it "MSFS - as good as a flight sim can ever be". Please stop wasting my time with misconceived notions of the significance of a silly ad slogan.

<> Holger wasn't being arrogant in the slightest...just informative. BTW, you can change the seasons to whatever you prefer in about 10 seconds.Regards,Jim

... and the bashing continues. Point me in the direction of an actual valid response which explains why exactly people should not be complaining about world season textures and how that is on the same necessitly level as "bugs" "rainforests" and whatever else you all want to make up. You're right, I did say true to life. But please inform me how that is different than the saying as real as it gets.And this isn't a competition "find me something better!" This is a discussion on a lackluster effort and countless issues and bugs. If you are going to tell people not to debate such topics all I ask is a simple why

>If MSFS isn't "as real as it gets" as far as PC flight>simulators are concerned, please point me in the direction of>the sim that is better becuase I certainly haven't found it>(and with specific reference to the issue at hand, one that>does as good a job of putting the globe on our desktop). The>slogan isn't "MSFS - a perfect simulation of reality", nor is>it "MSFS - as good as a flight sim can ever be". Please stop>wasting my time with misconceived notions of the>significance of a silly ad slogan. I am involved with companies that design multi million dollar simulation graphics for ultra- high end military Sim use. If one of the pilots came in and started complaining about the color of the trees in the fall in these Sims, they would probably throw him out of the building.

The truth of the matter is, FS is what it is, noone is forcing anyone to use it, you are quite welcome to find an alternative.The question raise was, and is, a valid question, BUT, the response from the original author to the reasons why it is the way it is were rude, people took the time to write lengthy posts explaining the issue.FS as it is a marvel, the whole world, albeit not "as real as life", is contained within a few CD's, I for one can forgive a few small "issues", and look at the package as a whole.Yes, FS is not perfect, and never will be, perfection is not the goal, a decent complete package of flight simulation is the goal, and as it is FS delievers in spades, maybe you would prefer the team to concentrate on a particular area and get that "as real as possible", I wouldnt, I like the opportunity to fly around the whole world.If MS manage to cure this issue, fine, if not I will not lose any sleep about it.I also stare in awe at the amount of time people spend bickering on these forums, just imagine if that wasted time was put to good use.Dan.

>And this isn't a competition "find me something better!" This>is a discussion on a lackluster effort and countless issues>and bugs. If you are going to tell people not to debate such>topics all I ask is a simple whyAs a I'm a pilot, plane builder/owner, beta tester for MSFS, and several payware companies, and see what they go through..................don't imply what's "lackluster effort", when you really seem to have no idea....."One person's" idea of just a "little" fix here and there, is only one of thousands of requests of totally different & un-related issues & topics. This "topic" goes right into the "when ever" files along with moon phases, exact darkness at night (never mind city lights), water running up hill, backcountry airports needing more elevation point data, height of auto-gen buildings, etc, etc, etc.....It's something that the user can easily work around by simply changing seasons to suit, just as blackness of night is changed by switching days. All I see here, is a desire by a few to live in a totally virtual world created by someone else, where the user doesn't lift a finger if something is not to his/her liking. Then like so many, in these modern day's ................seem to blame someone else, and expect someone else to fix it. L.Adamson ---- wondering why MS snow is on my yard, when it melted last week...

Hehe, I know.;)I meant freeware scenery designers with possible knownledge in this area...cheers,Claudio

straw...manI hate to use a word so often but these posts brilliantly show its meaning. Keyword "military", ment for the military, designed to their needs, not for a pilot and what he wants and not for visual experiences. MSFS on the other hand, is a GAME, made by the biggest software giant in the business. And to the poster who responded to my lackluster comment, please inform me how releasing a much needed patch A YEAR AND A HALF after the release date doesn't prove my point... especially considering they sidestep major issues and fix next to nothing. Thanks for playing

<>who's "they"?<>I have an idea, and I know the software business.<<"One person's" idea of just a "little" fix here and there, is only one of thousands of requests of totally different & un-related issues & topics. >>Are you trying to say the issues related to MSFS are minor? I'd say an accurate representation of seasons is not a minor issue. Especially when MS claimed FS9 was a visual improvement when all it is is just a new skin on an old old old body<>moon phases should have been put in correctly now that you mention it. But those other issues all rank much lower than an accurate display of seasons.<>when you have options such as real-time, and real weather, you assume your customers are going to want to fly with all these realisms, not fly in summer because every other season crashes or looks ridiculous<>lift a finger? Ive spent too many countless hours putting in great textures and new traffic, etc. all because Microsoft decided everything was secondary to releasing the product, no matter how complete<>just another ridiuclous strawman comment. What you basically did was exactly what I stated everyone has been doing, equate a valid issue with "bugs" "rainforests" and now "snow on my yard"

Nobody is telling anyone not to debate a topic. I never said the terrain issue wasn't a valid criticism. I was only responding to your point that MSFS doesn't live up to the "as real as it gets" slogan. If it doesn't, please show me the sim that does meet that criteria. As far as the sim being "lacklustre" and riddled with "countless issues and bugs" all I can say is why are you here? In fact, why are we all here? Why would a product full of countless bugs and issues have a community as large and dedicated as this one? The truth is MSFS is an awesome product that really works far better than I would expect it to given its complexity and the nature of PCs in general. It's not perfect and theres certainly lots of things that could be done to improve it, but it's not even close to "bug-riddled" and it's far from "lacklustre." FS9 is afaic one of the most impressive pieces of PC software I've owned, and I've owned a lot. But to each their own I suppose. One persons lacklustre bugg-riddled mess is another persons wonderful adventure-filled world-in-a-box.

>straw...man>Of course I had to look this up...Definition: The author attacks an argument which is different from, and usually weaker than, the opposition's best argument. Proof: Show that the opposition's argument has been misrepresented by showing that the opposition has a stronger argument. Describe the stronger argument. So............... is it the "stronger" argument to state--- "As Real as it Gets", should be the same as "True life"...........or am I just confused? ;( L.Adamson ---- MS should get rid of the "pause button" too!

Just another kid who gets paid 8 bucks an hour to test and he thinks he knows it all... as real as it gets wasn't any part of my agument, I really don't care what tag line a company uses. I just find it interesting how hostile people are towards those who post their opinions about a product they purchased, and as far as they are concerned, the product they just purchased should be complete, not something that requires hundreds of hours just to get it running properly, plus all the hours fixing the issues M$ figured would cost too much development time and money. Oh and by the way, did you think I was insulting the testers and the programmers? Of course not, they don't decide schedules and pay the bills. This conversation is over unless you can actually debate the topic rather than give nothing but nonsense and illogical remarks to change the subject